Elder Nelson on the new Apostolic "candidate search"

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by jay santos

The same reference others in this thread are making to GBH. It was recently. Possibly last conference?

You didn't think that's what he was saying? Or you don't remember the talk?

I have no clue what you're referring to, so I was curious to read his comments.

[SteelBlue]

Special, to me, does not require an actual visitation. It could simply mean that with the mantle of the apostolic calling comes a stronger witness. It could simply mean that it is the actual calling that makes them a special witness. I'm with Santos, I cringe a bit when people state as a matter of fact that an apostle has seen Christ. Until one of them tells me that, I won't be assuming that special=visitation.

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by jay santos

I was rebuked in a priesthood leadership training session for questioning someone who asserted that special witness = seeing Christ and that all the apostles had seen Christ. I wasn't being a jerk about it and they weren't really a jerk about it either, just made me out to look a little faithless in front of others. I felt vindicated when Pres. Hinckley basically said point blank he had never seen Jesus.

Can someone help me out with the reference I'm thinking? It's the same one Waters and others have mentioned in this thread. I'd like to reread the talk, but now I can't find it looking through conference editions at lds.org. I thought it was real recent.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by jay santos

Can someone help me out with the reference I'm thinking? It's the same one Waters and others have mentioned in this thread. I'd like to reread the talk, but now I can't find it looking through conference editions at lds.org. I thought it was real recent.

What I am remembering is that Larry King asked GBH if he had seen Jesus, and GBH made a reply that he received inspiration through the Holy Ghost, and by implication (I think) not by direct revelation man to man (God to man in person).

I can't remember if he outright refuted it or just refuted it in an implied way.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

What I am remembering is that Larry King asked GBH if he had seen Jesus, and GBH made a reply that he received inspiration through the Holy Ghost, and by implication (I think) not by direct revelation man to man (God to man in person).

I can't remember if he outright refuted it or just refuted it in an implied way.

Based on that description, it sounds like a complete non-answer.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Based on that description, it sounds like a complete non-answer.

This might be it:

KING: When you pray, what is that? What's occurring? Are you talking to God? You're a prophet, so God talks to you.

HINCKLEY: I'm talking to God, yes. I do pray. Of course I do.

KING: What do you do when they're not answered?

HINCKLEY: Well, they are answered, but not always just the way you'd want them.

KING: Sometimes it's no.

HINCKLEY: Sometimes it's no.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Based on that description, it sounds like a complete non-answer.

I did a very quick google search, but couldn't come up with it. I'm sure the transcript is on the web somewhere.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

This might be it:

KING: When you pray, what is that? What's occurring? Are you talking to God? You're a prophet, so God talks to you.

HINCKLEY: I'm talking to God, yes. I do pray. Of course I do.

KING: What do you do when they're not answered?

HINCKLEY: Well, they are answered, but not always just the way you'd want them.

KING: Sometimes it's no.

HINCKLEY: Sometimes it's no.

that's not it. King asked something equivalent to "have you seen Jesus or God"

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

This might be it:

KING: When you pray, what is that? What's occurring? Are you talking to God? You're a prophet, so God talks to you.

HINCKLEY: I'm talking to God, yes. I do pray. Of course I do.

KING: What do you do when they're not answered?

HINCKLEY: Well, they are answered, but not always just the way you'd want them.

KING: Sometimes it's no.

HINCKLEY: Sometimes it's no.

That hardly clarifies the issue at hand, IMO.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

What I am remembering is that Larry King asked GBH if he had seen Jesus, and GBH made a reply that he received inspiration through the Holy Ghost, and by implication (I think) not by direct revelation man to man (God to man in person).

I can't remember if he outright refuted it or just refuted it in an implied way.

I searched and couldn't find Wallace's exact question. I don't remember Wallace asking specifically "have you seen God"?

But I did find this similarly-phrased question from PBS:

Could I ask you a little about revelation itself? Some scholars who have not experienced it describe it as communication with God, but distinct from impressions or insights. How would you describe it or explain it?

And this from the San Francisco Chronicle:

Q: And this belief in contemporary revelation and prophecy? As the prophet, tell us how that works. How do you receive divine revelation? What does it feel like?

Both of those questions he answered with the Elijah experience (1 Kings 19:11-21), and that's how my vague memory remembers the Wallace question being phrased as well.

I think it would be quite a stretch to take this as a denial, implicit or otherwise, of having seen the Savior.

EDIT: Oops, just realized we're talking about Larry King. I've got my correspondents mixed up. Same point, though.