I dread the day

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

The handbooks says a parent must attend a campout for an 11yo to attend. However this is limited to 3 times a year.

3 times is not a lot.

A parent. Not every parent. Parent involvement for 11 yo scout campouts isn't much different than regular scouts.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by jay santos

A parent. Not every parent. Parent involvement for 11 yo scout campouts isn't much different than regular scouts.

I think it says a parent of the boy. Not any parent. that wouldn't make any sense.

Of course if wards choose not to follow the handbook, and they have the approval of their local leaders and parents--more power to you.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I think it says a parent of the boy. Not any parent. that wouldn't make any sense.

Of course if wards choose not to follow the handbook, and they have the approval of their local leaders and parents--more power to you.

This is corrrect. An 11 yo can only attend scout overnight activities if accopmanied by his own parent. As in many situations in life, not just any parent will do.

[SeattleUte]

Since we're being judgmental about K-Dog, calling him a pussy and such, I offer this. Part of being a good parent is exposing your kids to experiences that may enrich their lives and/or provide a foundation for continuing enrichment even after you're gone. This may mean participating in experiences that are not your cup of tea, perhaps just because your parents negleted to expose you to them. Even one who's not the world's most intrepid camper must ackowledge that there is meaning and value to be gained by a certain type of person from camping, and in any event your kids will be better off if he acquires rudimentary camping skills come what may. See McCarthy's The Road. I find comments such as "we're not campers" or "we're not good at math," etc. extremely limiting, even damaging to children.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Since we're being judgmental about K-Dog, calling him a pussy and such, I offer this. Part of being a good parent is exposing your kids to experiences that may enrich their lives and/or provide a foundation for continuing enrichment even after you're gone. This may mean participating in experiences that are not your cup of tea, perhaps just because your parents negleted to expose you to them. Even one who's not the world's most intrepid camper must ackowledge that there is meaning and value to be gained by a certain type of person from camping, and in any event your kids will be better off if he acquires rudimentary camping skills come what may. See McCarthy's The Road. I find comments such as "we're not campers" or "we're not good at math," etc. extremely limiting, even damaging to children.

I've been waiting two years for a post from you that I could agree with. So I would hate to not acknowledge the fact now, that I agree with you.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I've been waiting two years for a post from you that I could agree with. So I would hate to not acknowledge the fact now, that I agree with you.

I see the dark side within you, my son. I know you know I speak truth.

[MikeWaters]

SU what happened to your older kids? You never talk about them. I figure something terrible happened to them, or they turned out to be terrible disappoints, i.e. returned missionary, married in temple, etc.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

SU what happened to your older kids? You never talk about them. I figure something terrible happened to them, or they turned out to be terrible disappoints, i.e. returned missionary, married in temple, etc.

On the contrary. They are 18 and 13 year old, hard working, clean living girls, attending Bainbridge Island's first-rate public schools. I don't discern any hazard they will marry RM's, though the older one is considering the U of U for college. The older one is a senior in HS with a boyfriend who gained early admission in UW's bioengineering department and played in the Little League world series tournament. She's applying to colleges now. So far the main obstacle they have had in life is that they are too damn good looking for their own good, and I really mean that. Like your daughter appears destined to become, they are Eurasian drop-dead beauties. I've heard the view expressed that there comes a point where good looks take the form of diminishing returns for girls and I'm afraid that's true. I've not succeeded yet in getting them to rap with me about War and Peace or Dostoyevsky if that's what you're wondering.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Since we're being judgmental about K-Dog, calling him a pussy and such, I offer this. Part of being a good parent is exposing your kids to experiences that may enrich their lives and/or provide a foundation for continuing enrichment even after you're gone. This may mean participating in experiences that are not your cup of tea, perhaps just because your parents negleted to expose you to them. Even one who's not the world's most intrepid camper must ackowledge that there is meaning and value to be gained by a certain type of person from camping, and in any event your kids will be better off if he acquires rudimentary camping skills come what may. See McCarthy's The Road. I find comments such as "we're not campers" or "we're not good at math," etc. extremely limiting, even damaging to children.

But I am NOT good at math!

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by creekster

But I am NOT good at math!

Lol.

I know you know this. Sooner or later we learn our kids' lives are not all about us; on the contrary, we ultimately are at best supporting actors, certainly not the stars in the dramas of their individual lives. We are force fed the lesson usually by the time they turn 14 (girls often sooner), and optimally we figure it out much sooner, particularly if we want to make them at all in our own image.