Someone on Cougarboard said President Hinckley passed away.....

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Having been born in '64, I don't remember McKay, so I'd have to put Hinkley or Kimball as my favorite.

I remember McKay a little bit.

My kids are pretty sad. He is the only prophet they really knew. Kimball was the same for me in many ways.

My mother told me that it seemed to be a huge loss when DOM passed away. He also served for many years and had a big impact on the church.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

He had a way of making you think that knew him and that he cared about you. In other words, his warmth made the church a smaller place.

Amen to that. I fee like I just lost a grandfather.

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by danimal

I'm less inclined to think of further financial commitments or expanding building usage, but I agree that materialism is a huge problem. I'm always surprised when I visit Utah at how big and nice the houses are, how a large proportion of people drive nice cars, and too many people look like they came out of glamor shots.

I'm very serious in my opinion that the removal of the ward budget from contribution by members has led to the erosion of the social fabric of wards, and thus led to significant lessening of ward cohesion and morale.

I don't think you can run a social organization when you only put 1% of your collections into its actual activities.

The church is having difficulty selling its social product, because there is no social product to sell.

I feel like I'm part of my ward's social fabric, however grudgingly. But I don't think I have eaten a meal, not once, in the home of any current members in my ward.

[danimal]

Heres a nice one from the New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/us...in&oref=slogin

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by danimal

Heres a nice one from the New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/us...in&oref=slogin

It's hard to believe, but GBH's grandfather, must have known Joseph Smith, and if GBH knew his grandfather, he knew someone who knew Joseph Smith.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by danimal

Heres a nice one from the New York Times

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/28/us...in&oref=slogin

Factually incorrect but a good article.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Factually incorrect but a good article.

It's the NY Times. Fact really aren't it's strength.

[danimal]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm very serious in my opinion that the removal of the ward budget from contribution by members has led to the erosion of the social fabric of wards, and thus led to significant lessening of ward cohesion and morale.

I don't think you can run a social organization when you only put 1% of your collections into its actual activities.

The church is having difficulty selling its social product, because there is no social product to sell.

I feel like I'm part of my ward's social fabric, however grudgingly. But I don't think I have eaten a meal, not once, in the home of any current members in my ward.

With the wealth disparities between wards, I don't see the church going back to the old system.

When I was in you ward, I was admittedly uninvested because I knew we were only there temporarily, but your ward was pretty low on the friendliness and welcoming continuum. Other than you, the only people I got to know were because I made an effort to go meet and talk to them. Their problems may go beyond budget issues.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I am saying that Monson alive, means that the next guy in line isn't the President.

One of your greatest fears, no? I'm trying to picture what CG might have been like on the evening Bruce McConkie died.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

It's hard to believe, but GBH's grandfather, must have known Joseph Smith, and if GBH knew his grandfather, he knew someone who knew Joseph Smith.

Mike I was telling my wife the same thing not more than 5 minutes ago. President Hinckley was working for the church in 1930. The church was restored in 1830. Its crazy to think his grandfather most likely knew Joseph Smith.