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I think you've hit on something. Many of these so-called "intellectuals" are experiencing immense cognitive dissonance between what LDS say they believe (or used to believe) and what they actually do. I think the 'reform' idea is valid one. I know I would like to see certain things in LDS practice and doctrine change.
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In a training session with Elder Scott. My stake president and bishop have confirmed it to me on multiple occasions. Our stake is actually very slow to excommunicate because of that fact.
We even had a bishopric member, my friend, who had an affair but was not ex'ed until he moved in with his girl friend for a year. He was d'ed then only after unrepentant attitude ex'ed.
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We need more kindness, more understanding, and less hostility by all involved. We are probably not benefitted by "dogma" which really seems to have been a creature of the fourth century. Why would we want to become like unto the Fourth Century Church?
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Wishing for change in the church isn't necessarily in and of itself wrong, but publicly disagreement with the leadership is a violation these two tenets. Furthmore, it's my opinion that public disagreement with the church is a screaming sign that a person doesn't possess a belief that the church is led by continuing revelation and that God will eventually right any wrongs within His church and in His own due time. |
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However, I can say with confidence that training aside (and maybe we need more), the principles on which they are based--why they exist and how they should be carried out--are very clear. There should be no doubt in the mind of the presiding officer and those included in the council that it is meant to be a step toward the ultimate repentance of the person involved. Also, regardless of the human frailties of lay leadership, we cannot absolve people of their responsibility for their own salvation. Even a poorly handled council, while no doubt making it much more difficult for the person to be welcomed back, is not ultimately to blame for a person's loss of blessings. You and you alone are responsible for your adherence to gospel doctrine. Elder Bednar's talk on being offended more or less emphasized this point. |
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Sometimes, they are their own worst enemies. OTOH, leaders should be discerning as the faithful who simply disagree and discuss their issues with those who are disinterested and seek contention. And I can agree God inspires his leaders without agreeing with your definition of "continuing revelation". I don't agree that the pipeline is like a high grade uplink to a satellite feed. More like a telegraph, difficult to use but there when necessary.
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Agreed.
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