08-20-2007, 09:09 PM | #41 |
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Tex, you kill me sometimes. How does this differ from what Jay Santos proposed (extremely rare, but still happens) just prior to your absurd reply to him?
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Apologies, santos. |
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Covenants are meaningless unless excommunication exists? That's bizarre. Covenants are menaningful for their blessings and directives; you seem like a law and order, punishment and penalty type guy. There may be constructions of scripture which you use to justify that position, but I know of no scripture on point stating "no excoummunication, no meaning to covenant."
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If I were judging him I would be dishing out some punishment. I think he is a moving target, unlike you who just sits there and gets hammered.
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Plus that is pretty big leap to say that if they got rid of disfellowshipping and excommunicating you will have more ht "canoodling with family baby sitter"
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Interesting distinction that I think it lost on a lot of people. |
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But that aside, this is the best argument for illustrating that church discipline is NOT intended as a strictly punitive measure. Ultimately, it is God who punishes and God who forgives. The church is simply the vehicle established by him to administrate the ordinances that are tied to the covenants, and to teach the doctrine. This is why a proper high council and stake presidency (or bishopric) should approach the decision to discipline with great reverence. |
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