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I can see the political wisdom in it, currying favor with everybody who believes he or she is paying too much for health care and who is naive enough to believe a government controlled, owned and paid for system will be cheaper and better, but it is still bullshit. We're so advanced we should guarantee cradle to grave care. I see it and note people want that, but what have become? A country where nobody has drive to contribute but everybody wants a handout. With the entitlement age coming upon us we will see a continued slow down and a malaise, not specific to every individual but that will be our national persona.
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I am all for a safety net for those who really cannot do it themselves, I am not a fan of subsidizing the bad spending choices other people make. Lots of people just don't want to write that check every month where they can spend the money on other discretionary items. This is what galls me about the idea of paying for their health care. Heaven knows I could drive a nicer car or live in a bigger house if I stopped paying my premiums.
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Obama's plan simply recognizes a fact in American life- we all already pay for "universal" health care. Why not make it cheaper by focusing on preventative care and requiring that anyone who receives treatment who doesn't have health care then be required to contribute money to repay the system for what they should have contributed originally through health care premiums. |
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It also makes me think of pro-bono clients I have had. One would think that people who are getting something free would be more appreciative and less demanding. The opposite is true. Boy did I ever learn this in the free third year practice I did. There is a rational relationship between things costing something and the rate at which people will consume them. My point is that when you make health care free, you aren't just exchanging the cost of emergency room visits paid out of pocket for the cost of preventative care and emergency room visists, albeit fewer, paid up front. What you are doing is incentivizing people to consume as much health care as they possibly can. I can go to my doctor now and it costs me a $15 co-pay, but that is not for an unlimited number of times. I can't go there every day and pay that. After a certain number my cost goes way up because, of course, I begin to consume more health care than I am paying for. Without any financial disincentive to go to the doctor only one really needs to, consumption of the services will balloon which will mean scarcity of services, ie, the long lines you see in other countries who try to do this. You just can't convince me that it is cheaper. I admit that I believe in hindsight that much of what we have done in Iraq was discretionary, elective spending that we couldn't really afford. Will some liberals who feel the same way, for the sake of consistency, join me in wondering whether massive social programming and spending is not equally elective and equally unafforable?
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You found the answer already. You believe it's a right to have a lawyer in criminal cases but not civil cases. You probably believe in other basic survival rights. It's just how far you want to go drawing the line at what's a basic right/need and what's not. Food, shelter, very basic health care are all doable for our country. |
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