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Ultimately how much did any of them oppose the reversal of the ban? I am a contrarian by nature. It is not hard for me to take a contrary position on any subject (see evolution). I am in no way comparing myself to HBL, merely stating that I can empathise with the disagreeing voice. |
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I think this is one of the toughest subjects for people to synthesize for all the reasons described in this thread. I think that the reality takes the clothes off the emperor for many people and this leads them to abandon their common sense, both in the pursuit of keeping the clothes on and in overreacting to what it means that the emperor forgot to get dressed today.
I may be the odd person out, but to me learning that our leaders are inspired but imperfect men who disagree, argue, wrestle with the right answer and find it together through inspiration is, well, inspiring. This is the same reason that all I have learned about Joseph Smith inspires. He didn't levitate from epiphany to epiphany but was a mortal man with mortal passions and mortal foibles. And yet, through such a man God was able to bring able this good church that teaches so much good and provides so much opportunity to do good. If he can do it through him, perhaps he can work good through me even though I am imperfect, vexed by my passions, and somewhat contentious in my heart as I believe he was. The message I take away is that I can do it to in spite of what I am, not that I have to be some fictional unattainable someone else. The apple cannot be stuck back on the Tree of Knowledge; once we begin to see, we are doomed and challenged to seek the strength to see more, not less.
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I have never seen a spirited debate in any church meeting that I have been a part of, which includes bishopric meetings, PEC, Ward Council under two different bishops.
The times I didn't agree with prevailing opinion, I may or may not have said something, and if I was shot down, hey I'm just the secretary, shut my mouth. Of course there were times when my opinion was not sought. I think if I were Bishop, given my nature to want to explore various sides of issues, I would want counselors who would be pretty vigorous in their opinions. But also shut the hell up when I put my hands together on top of the desk. |
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A few years ago I was in charge of ward activities and they made me attend a meeting once a month with all the auxillary leaders. I didn't attend very often, but when I did the RS and YW presidents would fillet the bishop. The debate was definitely spirited. When one of them would disagree with the bishop, they would tag team him into submission. He didn't stand a chance against them. It was pretty entertaining.
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