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I feel that it is misleading to suggest that this whole issue is NOT about civil unions, rights, etc.....when the very ammunition that is being used to promote Prop 8 decries the evils of allowing all of these rights for homosexuals.
Also, as mikewaters pointed out, the Church has already come out in opposition to civil unions, as well, so our involvement in Prop 8 goes way beyond a simple definition.
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SO tell me, O omniscient one, which argument is that?
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Yes, you are correct. The langauge of the Prop is pretty straightforward...defines marriage.
Again, I just find it misleading when supporters say that this ISNT about homosexuals. Some of the material being distributed in support of Prop 8: 1. If gays can marry, we have to teach our kids that their relationships are normal (gross!) 2. If gays can marry, our freedom and democracy are threatened (what does this have to do with the definition of marriage?) 3. If gays can marry, we may be forced to allow gays to adopt through LDSSS (no support provided for that contention) 4. If gays can marry, heterosexuals will be less inclined to get married, as evidenced by Norway So I would say that, practically speaking, Prop 8, and the underlying battle, goes WAY beyond how to define marriage. It allegedly will affect almost every aspect of our lives.
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The bases for the relative equality of gays in CA is pretty well-establoished and I don't see how prop 8 is likely to change that. I think it will obviously mean gays cannot be married, and it will make it easier for traditional family groups to assert influence over school curriculum. Otherwsie, I think it is unlikely to change much, at least not in CA. I suspect that the spillover to other states might be more important.
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Yes, I know that campaigns blow a lot of smoke. I only pay attention when the Prophet is telling me to get involved. If it is that important, I want to analyze all the reasons and understand for myself. I agree with your other point and now I will back off before you give me another helping of roasted sassiness.
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We'll have to agree to disagree. You think they should be made to suffer and live a life unfilled and unhappy because homosexual sex is a sin. I don't agree it is, in fact, I think it's a good thing if it gives them joy and they are responsible about it, which gay marriage would facilitate. In fact, I think suffering and the causes of suffering are roughly if not exactly eqiuvalent to or synonymous with evil. So we have no place to reach common ground. We're done.
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