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I'm happy to stop with the pissing contests. But after all these months and a few thousand posts, I'm not convinced the "other side" is. I confess I haven't yet developed enough self-discipline to just not respond to their bombast.
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The point is, you really have nothing significant to complain about today. Why you all choose to latch on to a few centuries-old statements is truly beyond me.
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No, the point is, one has to got back a few decades to find something that even mullahs have to concede was misguided. That's the funny thing about the passage of time. It changes and clarifies things. If we were to pull something out of modern times as an example, you would simply deny it is misguided or wrong and that would be that. But 30 years from now, you may be singing a different tune. You oft-repeated challenge of "show me something recent" is yet another weak dodge. The question under debate was prophetic infallibility. Your statute of limitations defense is essentially a concession of defeat.
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The constant problem for you is, I never said the prophet was infallible. I'm trying to decide if I should be shocked or not that you continue to miss that.
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No thanks.
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Do you deny that the leadership's approach to General Conference, and the doctrines taught in General Conference itself, has changed at ALL since Brigham Young's time? Or are we just singing the same song, different line 150 years later? Quote:
For the record, it wasn't me that said "the prophet would never lead us astray," it was the prophets (see below). It's not my fault you can't reconcile your beliefs with theirs.
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I think you fit nicely the old mantra that says Catholics say the Pope is infallible but nobody believes it, Mormons say the prophet is fallable but nobody believes it. I think the ban on women holding the priesthood is something taught today that will be looked on as false doctrine in the same way we view the ban on blacks. Further light and knowledge indeed The problem with your position is that it says the church could not be relied upon or trusted to speak for God until the last 15-20 years. You may not have a problem with that but those without a burning bush experience may find it disturbing. |
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Adam/God, Blood atonement, and death to the Government of the United States of America were not just taught from the pulpit, they were incorporated into the temple ceremony (Out of respect for believers I won't post a link). This is more serious in my opinion than GC statements. The temple ceremony is supposedly direct revelation from God to Joseph Smith. Interesting that it had an infusion of false doctrine courtesy of Brigham Young.
I really cannot see how a reasonable person can just dismiss this as the church experiencing growing pains. Either it was direct revelation from God or it wasn't. Time and perspective do not change that. Last edited by Taq Man; 10-16-2007 at 03:07 AM. |
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1. We view prophetic statements of the past through the lenses of prophetic statements today, and not the other way around. We pay attention to (and are held accountable for) the doctrine and teachings of men selected by God to lead us in our day, not in some past era. 2. As a basic rule of history, we don't judge the church culture of times past by today's standards. Search for some of my thoughts on the Japanese internment camps to see what I mean.
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