Blacks, apologies, and reparations

[YOhio]

I'm worried about Indy and Tex so casually discarding the prophet's example. As for me and my house, we will follow the prophet.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by YOhio

I'm worried about Indy and Tex so casually discarding the prophet's example. As for me and my house, we will follow the prophet.

He apologized for slavery?

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by YOhio

I'm worried about Indy and Tex so casually discarding the prophet's example. As for me and my house, we will follow the prophet.

Mullah.

[TripletDaddy]

how do you do that multi quote thing? You can either tell me know or in 100 years, your descendants will wind up telling my descendants and also will have to apologize.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by JohnnyLingo

I'm not a fan of the idea that we need to keep race struggles in the public consciousness. I'm not advocating historical amnesia; we need to remember the past, if just to avoid making the same mistakes over and over.

But I don't think we can ever heal as a nation if we keep picking at the scab of slavery. Looking at the scar is not the same as ripping the stitches open over and over again, if that analogy makes any sense.

OK, so I will indulge...how do you propose that we, as a nation, remember the past, but do so without keeping the past in the public conscience?

I get your scab analogy, but is that really what we are doing? Seems like at this point, if an overwhelming majority of AA's would feel a measure of happiness and validation via a government issued apology over a very real historical tragedy, then what is the harm in supporting such an apology?

I guess I dont get those that are so obstinate.....what for? Isnt that what the Gospel is all about? Nobody was ever in the wrong for apologizing and showing some humility.

Our country allowed slavery. It also threw Japanese people into internment camps out of fear....xenophobia....whatever you want to call it.

An apology will NOT change any of that. But it wouldnt hurt and it certainly would provide at least a measure of social healing.

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

how do you do that multi quote thing? You can either tell me know or in 100 years, your descendants will wind up telling my descendants and also will have to apologize.

Wrap each individual quote in {quote}{/quote} tags, where { is a [.

Example:

{quote="BYU71"}
The honor code is crap.
{quote}

Yes, 71, we know you feel that way. Give it a rest.

{quote}
I also think cheerleaders who are 60 years younger than me are hot.
{/quote}

That creeps me out.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

OK, so I will indulge...how do you propose that we, as a nation, remember the past, but do so without keeping the past in the public conscience?

Wow, this is an amazing point, DDD!

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I get your scab analogy, but is that really what we are doing? Seems like at this point, if an overwhelming majority of AA's would feel a measure of happiness and validation via a government issued apology over a very real historical tragedy, then what is the harm in supporting such an apology?

Pwned. Good one, DDD.

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

I guess I dont get those that are so obstinate.....what for? Isnt that what the Gospel is all about? Nobody was ever in the wrong for apologizing and showing some humility.

You are very wise, DDD. And correct.

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

Our country allowed slavery. It also threw Japanese people into internment camps out of fear....xenophobia....whatever you want to call it.

BYU71 did not know the definition of "xenophobia," DDD. Thanks for clarifying the other day.

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

An apology will NOT change any of that. But it wouldnt hurt and it certainly would provide at least a measure of social healing.

POTD!

[JohnnyLingo]

Originally Posted by TripletDaddy

OK, so I will indulge...how do you propose that we, as a nation, remember the past, but do so without keeping the past in the public conscience?

Assigning blame is picking at the scab, in my opinion. Equating whites today with whites from 150 years ago is picking at the scab.

Discussing the horrors of slavery and the effects on race relations today is looking at the scar, in my opinion.

I get your scab analogy, but is that really what we are doing? Seems like at this point, if an overwhelming majority of AA's would feel a measure of happiness and validation via a government issued apology over a very real historical tragedy, then what is the harm in supporting such an apology?

Who is the apology directed at? All descendants, past, future, and present, of slaves for all time and all eternity? Call my stupid, but I think even if those living today who had ancestor slaves are negatively impacted by slavery, eventually there won't be a soul alive who has any negative effects of it.

I guess I dont get those that are so obstinate.....what for? Isnt that what the Gospel is all about? Nobody was ever in the wrong for apologizing and showing some humility.

Our country allowed slavery. It also threw Japanese people into internment camps out of fear....xenophobia....whatever you want to call it.

An apology will NOT change any of that. But it wouldnt hurt and it certainly would provide at least a measure of social healing.

I don't see how, to be honest. If someone killed my great-great-great-great grandpa, an apology from that person's great-great-great-great grandson doesn't do anything for me. I don't care.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

He apologized for slavery?

No, but he expressed appreciation and noted the positive affect that a formal apology could have on the descendents of those who suffered an injustice. This attitude was later affirmed when the church formally apologized for the MMM. directed both to the families of the victims and the Paiutes.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by YOhio

I'm worried about Indy and Tex so casually discarding the prophet's example. As for me and my house, we will follow the prophet.

Oh really? The prophet cheers for the Utes.

Follow that, pal.