If a man has the right to marry a man...

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Meaning tradition isn't a great reason to keep doing something. Again, thought it was pretty obvious.

The tradition of one-man, one-woman marriage is a great reason to keep doing it.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

The tradition of one-man, one-woman marriage is a great reason to keep doing it.

Still looking for that reason why. You sound like the Fiddler on the Roof. Tradition! Tradition!

[Colly Wolly]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Still looking for that reason why. You sound like the Fiddler on the Roof. Tradition! Tradition!

What about the roles of fathers and mothers in raising children? I know there are same sex couple adoptions already, but legalizing gay marriage further mainstreams this unfortunate scenario.

Kids, where possible, should have moms and dads. I know there are alot of single parents out there, and you'll probably cite some scientific study that shows that kids are no worse off with two dads, but it just doesn't make sense to me. This is one area where society, at large, is negatively impacted. I can see this as being one of the main reasons the Church pushes so strongly against gay marriage.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Colly Wolly

What about the roles of fathers and mothers in raising children? I know there are same sex couple adoptions already, but legalizing gay marriage further mainstreams this unfortunate scenario.

Kids, where possible, should have moms and dads. I know there are alot of single parents out there, and you'll probably cite some scientific study that shows that kids are no worse off with two dads, but it just doesn't make sense to me. This is one area where society, at large, is negatively impacted. I can see this as being one of the main reasons the Church pushes so strongly against gay marriage.

I understand your concerns, but shouldn't the government do what the data supports? And should single parents not be allowed to adopt?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Still looking for that reason why.

That it works.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

That it works.

You aren't a very good advocate for your position. "It works" doesn't say anything about whether something else works too. At this point it kind of feels like you have just thrown in the towel.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

You aren't a very good advocate for your position. "It works" doesn't say anything about whether something else works too. At this point it kind of feels like you have just thrown in the towel.

Not thrown in the towel. Just bored. I'm arguing that the sky is blue, that the sun is hot, that Elvis is dead.

This marriage concept is so basic that only hair-splitting myopic lawyers could possibly be confused about it.

[Indy Coug]

Cali wants a purely secular answer to something that can only truly be justified and explained using a spiritual and eternal perspective. That's a losing proposition. Give it up. This is one of many reasons why progressive secularism is well on its way to destroying our society.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Cali wants a purely secular answer to something that can only truly be justified and explained using a spiritual and eternal perspective. That's a losing proposition. Give it up. This is one of many reasons why progressive secularism is well on its way to destroying our society.

In other words, you are incabable of defending the position on a secular basis. In that case, your position should fail.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Not thrown in the towel. Just bored. I'm arguing that the sky is blue, that the sun is hot, that Elvis is dead.

This marriage concept is so basic that only hair-splitting myopic lawyers could possibly be confused about it.

It isn't even basic given your argument of "tradition." The tradition of marriage is one totally different to the one recognized in the US today (as all Mormons should know). If tradition is the winning argument, polygamy will find a nice place in American society (as will harlots).