Questions for mindful

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

BYU71 ,could i possibly ask you from where this "hand cut" idea came to your mind ? any study has been going on ,or just throwing something out in here since no one would take any thing seriously on the internet any way ??

If you would like to enlighten me I am more than happy to be told I am mistaken and corrected. I will admit I have not studied the Muslim Religion and therefor what I get is from CNN, Fox and other US channels and the Muslim channel, El whatever (no disrespect meant, I really don't know how to spell it).

Several of those reports I have heard that theft is punishable by having ones hand removed. I have also heard there are some pretty dire consequences for a women who commits adultery. I might could support that myself.

Enlighten me on defrocking. It sounded bad. Is it just protesting against someone?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

well, as you might know Mr ,Khatami our former president (who has proposed dialogue among civilization in 1998 ) is one of the country's cultural representative and has been providing great opportunity to converse among thinkers and artists from different civilizations. he is an open minded leading cleric who has lots of respect for women .
but yes there has been a forged footage of him shaking hands with women which made some young clerics went banana, but in no way the claim would be getting any where due to the lack of authenticity !
there is something which i have difficulty understanding ...why those people shouldnot be allowed to protest about something they believe went wrong??

It's not the protest that disturbs me, but what's being protested.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

It's not the protest that disturbs me, but what's being protested.

How disturbed are you. So disturbed that you think our views on dealing with women should be forced on the Muslims or are you just mildly disturbed like if some recruit chooses Utah over BYU.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BYU71

How disturbed are you. So disturbed that you think our views on dealing with women should be forced on the Muslims or are you just mildly disturbed like if some recruit chooses Utah over BYU.

I won't lose any sleep over it.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Tex

I won't lose any sleep over it.

That is about how I feel. Internally they can do what they want as long as what they do doesn't threaten me. Yes, what threatens me is my decision, not there's.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

but yes there has been a forged footage of him shaking hands with women which made some young clerics went banana, but in no way the claim would be getting any where due to the lack of authenticity !
there is something which i have difficulty understanding ...why those people shouldnot be allowed to protest about something they believe went wrong??

It's at the 2:00 mark. This doesn't look forged to me.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

If you would like to enlighten me I am more than happy to be told I am mistaken and corrected. I will admit I have not studied the Muslim Religion and therefor what I get is from CNN, Fox and other US channels and the Muslim channel, El whatever (no disrespect meant, I really don't know how to spell it).

Several of those reports I have heard that theft is punishable by having ones hand removed. I have also heard there are some pretty dire consequences for a women who commits adultery. I might could support that myself.

Enlighten me on defrocking. It sounded bad. Is it just protesting against someone?

okay..it sounds serious enough to bother ..you know that i got to be wary about americans sarcasm

well ,first of all ,the claim was no big deal..no one in here took them seriously by no means and about defrocking ...i think it means that someone wouldnot be allowed to wear the particular outfit/costume which is remarking cleric position..its just about the cloths , well its abhorrent enough though.
but there is a zero possiblity for such a thing to happen in this case.

lets jump to "hand cut" story:

there are series of conditoins which have to be achieved inorder to let the court to sentence the most severe punishment.otherwise no court is allowed to cut a thief 's hand off. i am just going to mention two or three of them in here .

1)indispensability! if someone has nothing to live on or "Vitally in need" ..he wouldnot be going in this category at all.

2)threatening ! if someone doesnot break into house or basically doesnt rob something which has been hidden somewhere ...he wouldnot go under this category either

so even if someone attacks you with a gun and wanted to rob your suitcase ...he wouldnot be going to have his hand cut . why ?..since .your suitcase isnot something hidden .of course he would have the proper punishment ,not just hand cut.

and the punishment itslef has a separate story ,but i think i should avoid hijacking this thead with so many detailed information .

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by mindfulcoug

okay..it sounds serious enough to bother ..you know that i got to be wary about americans sarcasm

well ,first of all ,the claim was no big deal..no one in here took them seriously by no means and about defrocking ...i think it means that someone wouldnot be allowed to wear the particular outfit/costume which is remarking cleric position..its just about the cloths , well its abhorrent enough though.
but there is a zero possiblity for such a thing to happen in this case.

lets jump to "hand cut" story:

there are series of conditoins which have to be achieved inorder to let the court to sentence the most severe punishment.otherwise no court is allowed to cut a thief 's hand off. i am just going to mention two or three of them in here .

1)indispensability! if someone has nothing to live on or "Vitally in need" ..he wouldnot be going in this category at all.

2)threatening! if someone doesnot break into house or basically doesnt rob something which has been hidden somewhere ...he wouldnot go under this category either

so even if someone attacks you with a gun and wanted to rob your suitcase ...he wouldnot be going to have his hand cut . why ?..since .your suitcase isnot something hidden .of course he would have the proper punishment ,not just hand cut.

and the punishment itslef has a separate story ,but i think i should avoid hijacking this thead with so many detailed information .

Thanks for your response, I have been enlightened. I am all for letting your Country handle their internal affairs and if they want tie them to your religious beliefs.

If I could be assured your radical leaders would afford me the same, I don't even care if any of the mid East countries become a democracy.

Unfortunately I put your religious leaders in a cateqory even worse than I do Christian religious fundamentalists. The difference is your leaders have power and control.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by YOhio

It's at the 4:20 mark. This doesn't look forged to me.

the place was crowded and it was difficult to determine whether he shoke any ladies hand or not ..but let me tell you someting. islam isnot all strict when it comes to people ,women and men are generally have been told to avoid shaking hand ..but if you see the situation...those ladies had been waiting to visit him ,probably for a long time and in thier culture ..if a lady extends her hand and a man doesnot take it ,its totally indecent ...so Mr khatami as i understand was just trying not to make a bad impression on them...so if you have noticed he was too quick to passing them.

[Mindfulcoug]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Thanks for your response, I have been enlightened. I am all for letting your Country handle their internal affairs and if they want tie them to your religious beliefs.

If I could be assured your radical leaders would afford me the same, I don't even care if any of the mid East countries become a democracy.

Unfortunately I put your religious leaders in a cateqory even worse than I do Christian religious fundamentalists. The difference is your leaders have power and control.

well,its great that you all about letting my country minds her own business but ,too bad that you arenot in power.you wont be running for the president ,will you ?