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View Poll Results: If you found out that the Golden Plates never existed, would you still be a Mormon? | |||
Yes, the literalness of Joseph Smith's claims don't matter to me. | 4 | 14.29% | |
Yes, but it would change the way I view the Church. | 9 | 32.14% | |
No, I couldn't accept the Church as true in such a scenario. | 10 | 35.71% | |
I'm not a Mormon. | 5 | 17.86% | |
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09-14-2007, 08:48 PM | #71 | |
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Much learning doth make thee mad.
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09-14-2007, 08:51 PM | #72 | |
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But here we are, again, talking about Tex of all things. It's sickening.
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09-14-2007, 08:51 PM | #73 |
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You're taking me too seriously. If you don't have the evidence, get some people to say they saw the evidence. I'm with you, I'm just poking at you a little since these testimonies are not exactly beyond criticism. FWIW, I'm sure there were plates or something like plates in 1830. So? What other type of object would he use, a squeak toy? The question is were there plates buried in the 5th century in NY. The answer to the first question is not necessarily the answer to the second.
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09-14-2007, 08:53 PM | #74 | |
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And more bullying. Your conclusion that my response confirmed the truth of the Church was without reason.
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09-14-2007, 09:02 PM | #75 | |
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The chutzpah is stunning. Stop whining. You are welcome to ignore me at any time.
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09-14-2007, 09:10 PM | #76 | |
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Not chutzpah. I'm just stating that I interpret the passage differently than you seem to, and that I do not want to discuss it further with you. I would never require you to agree with me. I wouldn't even know how to go about trying to do such a thing.
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09-14-2007, 09:19 PM | #77 |
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It's always struck me as extremely shallow for anyone to found their faith on the "witnesses'" statements, for many reasons. For one thing, they are so lacking in credibility that they wouldn't be admissible in a court of law for the simple reason that an original signed document can't be produced and there is no evidence such a thing ever existed. Which is ironic, since sworn testimony of witnesses tries to ape a court of law's means for finding truth. This reminds me of those Christian "news networks" aping real news networks. Moreover, yes, there are many more believable explanations for the statements than that they really saw golden plantes and angels, including, yes, that all of these men, most of whom were named Whitmer, lied. That's a lot more believable than the alleged content of the "testimony." I'd love to cross-examine any of them. I'd have a riotous time.
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09-14-2007, 09:20 PM | #78 | |
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09-14-2007, 09:22 PM | #79 | |
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09-14-2007, 09:42 PM | #80 |
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He's just making sure, again, that we all know that he does not believe to begin with, and that he can give us a logical explanation why he's right and we're wrong.
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