Women's suffrage and Mormonism

[Insensitive PAP]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

My identity is not a secret. People are free to draw their own conclusions about me. I am my own boss and work when I please. I am also a good multi-tasker.

to be so productive with such a busy daily internet schedule.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This speaks volumes.

http://newsnet.byu.edu/story.cfm/31228

It is an observation of mine that those who are opposed vehemently to some church policies suffer the same malady as those who are considered to be zealots. Both take everything said literally and not as counsel or guidance that isn't set in concrete.

A talk given in conference about mothers as homemakers is taken to mean policy is that all women belong at home, not in the workplace. Meanwhile the bulk of the memberhsip does not take the talk as such.

It is a conservative culture. That is why women in the LDS culture may enter the work force in less than average numbers. I don't think there is any demonstrative effort to keep women in the church from choosing a career if they choose.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

My identity is not a secret. People are free to draw their own conclusions about me. I am my own boss and work when I please. I am also a good multi-tasker.

Those who criticize might have "work place" envy. Who cares if you worked harder you could make a few extra thousand.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by BYU71

Those who criticize might have "work place" envy. Who cares if you worked harder you could make a few extra thousand.

Actually, I just finished an arbitration and am recovering.

[DJRoss]

Originally Posted by woot

Did you get your clients' permission before broadcasting their information on a random internet forum? That's a dick thing to do. The fact that you use the term "feminism" to describe a desire for equality strikes me as an indicator of your feelings toward women. I suppose you would describe gay people wanting to get married as "gay supremacists" and that blacks wanting equal rights are "afroists" as well.

Yes I have their permission. It was required that I was allowed full disclosure on who my clients were when under contract. Please stop your patronization. I am 39 years old, married 18 years with five kids. I have lived in four different countries. Served my country in the USArmy and have run businesses on both sides of the Atlantic both successfully and unsuccessfully.

I use the term feminism in its true definition. It is an agenda to eliminate the value of men. You really have comprehension issues in regards to what I write? Sure when I am humming along the typos start to creep in, but still this is amazing.

I am anti feminist therefore I must have a negative view of women, must be homophobic and concerned about Blacks demanding rights. Is this entertainment for you or are you really that dense?

1. Women and Men are equal. No bones about it. Women should have equal pay for equal responsibilities. I think the maternity issue that motivates most western civ corps to lower womens wages is bogus. I think there should be at least one if not several housewives(I mean that in the literal sense) on the boards of any corporation. Reason? Their intellectual capital introduces any corporation to views and perspectives that are greatly represented in our society even today, but rarely considered.

Women are superior at many things than men, and vice versa. I think that men and women should compete on equal terms in all things and let the chips fall where they may. If certain areas are dominated by a certain gender I do not seek to enforce an artificial construct to force genders into certain areas. If for example under an equality of evaluation only 2 women passed the CPAT and were qualified to be firefighters, rock on. Good for them. If the CPAT was adjusted so there was a womens fitness and skills test and one for men where men were forced to achieve higher levels, than I would be against that. We want gender equality? Than make it real. No quotas, no programs that mandate a State University can only accept X number of applications based on gender. Let them compete on equal terms. I have no qualms about this.

Gays wanting to marry? Please. This issue is screwed up in the worst way. I think that Marriage should not be grounds for benefits that they currently allow. Marriage IMO is a religious ordinance not a legal one. I would be fine with keeping marriage in the churches and requiring anyone who desires to register with the State an exclusive union for legal purposes. Not just Gays, but straight couples as well. That way, religions that deem homosexuality as deviant behavior can continue to believe that, perform marriage ceremonies, temple sealings,etc and if Gays want to get "Married" and there is a church that is kosher with performing a marriage between two same gender individuals, I am okay with that. I believe in the LDS temple sealing ordinance, and therefore what is done on earth outside this ordinance is limited (in my understanding)to our earthly existance and is not bound eternally.

Afroists? Sigh, I get tired of feigned or genuine ignorance on the part of some of you in here. What year is this? 1964? Never had a problem with the civil rights movement. Martin Luther King Jr was inspired IMO with his I have a Dream speech. It is unfortunate that we are still here on both sides seeing color and not the character of men.

[woot]

Originally Posted by DJRoss

Yes I have their permission. It was required that I was allowed full disclosure on who my clients were when under contract. Please stop your patronization. I am 39 years old, married 18 years with five kids. I have lived in four different countries. Served my country in the USArmy and have run businesses on both sides of the Atlantic both successfully and unsuccessfully.

I use the term feminism in its true definition. It is an agenda to eliminate the value of men.

Stopped reading there. An overwhelming desire for us to know how awesome your business skills are, as if that has anything to do with this discussion, combined with an absolutely ridiculous paranoia that precludes the ability to think rationally about the topic at hand is enough for me to be done with you.

[DJRoss]

Originally Posted by RockyBalboa

A tip:

You do realize pulling a John Haddow doesn't make you look affluent, successful or important?

It makes you look like the arrogant dumbshit that you already are.

Keep your distance. Stand in the shadows and take potshots. I at least have the balls to stand here taking your weak attacks.

I guess the Internet allows you to be a coward and thus justifies your spineless comment.

[woot]

Originally Posted by DJRoss

Keep your distance. Stand in the shadows and take potshots. I at least have the balls to stand here taking your weak attacks.

I guess the Internet allows you to be a coward and thus justifies your spineless comment.

Yes, because arguing on the internet is such a brave activity. You have issues, dude.

[Insensitive PAP]

carpal tunnel syndrome is real.

[DJRoss]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Hmmm. I wonder what these clients would say about your enlightened views (hardee har har) of women in the workforce. (I bet there are plenty of high powered women either you or your contacts report to.)

Actually, my friend, I deal every day with influential and successful women professionals and executives. There are countless, and it's not a remarkable thing. That you preceive yourself "calling me out" about not listing them is really quite freaky.

Actually it is quite pragmatic. You accused me of certain views that you have not proven I possess. You enjoy exaggerated hyperbole regarding who you know and are unwilling to pony up the proof, yet you accuse me of not citing resources even after having provided several links to articles that deal with the black side of feminism.

Nice dodge, but it doesn't change the fact that you are not being truthful. You would need a minimum of 200 women that you know well enough to fit your criteria in order for your statement to be truthful. That is all I am asking. Is for you to prove it instead of hiding behind "oh that is creepy"

My enlightened views of women in the workforce? Ironically they are more empowering to women than a feminist dogma of trying to completely control their reproduction. Why? Because there is no hiding behind quotas, unequal qualification requirements for the same position, etc. It is all out there for anyone, man, woman, black, white, gay, lesbian to go for it. Freedom to achieve your dreams without a construct that forces fake diversity. Real diversity is an awesome think indeed, but government sponsored diversity is a crutch that keeps any real progress towards equality.

Again you keep making these comments as if I have some chauvinistic views against women? Where are these represented?