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[BarbaraGordon]

For interested parties: New report from Gallup today feeds the fears that the longer this battle drags out, the more Democrats will be crossing over come November.






Personally, I think this kind of thing is much ado about nothing, and that as much as these voters want to rant that they would "never vote for Obama!!!" that when it comes down to it they'll be voting blue in the end. The risk, though, is lowered turnout. For example, 9% of Obama supporters said they wouldn't vote at all if Hillary were the nominee.

One weakness I noticed: The poll was conducted over a two week period from March 7th to 22nd. That's a long window and the Wright issue would have come out halfway through the polling, affecting some responses but not others.

[ERCougar]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

For interested parties: New report from Gallup today feeds the fears that the longer this battle drags out, the more Democrats will be crossing over come November.






Personally, I think this kind of thing is much ado about nothing, and that as much as these voters want to rant that they would "never vote for Obama!!!" that when it comes down to it they'll be voting blue in the end. The risk, though, is lowered turnout. For example, 9% of Obama supporters said they wouldn't vote at all if Hillary were the nominee.

One weakness I noticed: The poll was conducted over a two week period from March 7th to 22nd. That's a long window and the Wright issue would have come out halfway through the polling, affecting some responses but not others.

I'm not sure how many will actually cross over, but I think the no-show component is huge, and becomes bigger the longer this drags on, and the more they beat each other up. The Dems had this in the bag two months ago; yet again, they show their ability to screw up a sure thing.

[BarbaraGordon]

Reid said this morning on XM POTUS that they're planning on a new convention just for the superdelegates in June, so the Superdelegates can hash out whom to crown as the heir apparent to the party's throne. That way the nominee can begin moving forward in June instead of August. This is the last best hope for the Democrats.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Personally, I think this kind of thing is much ado about nothing, and that as much as these voters want to rant that they would "never vote for Obama!!!" that when it comes down to it they'll be voting blue in the end.

Perhaps. We've already got our very own Obamoonie, Cali Coug, saying that he will not vote for Clinton, and others, like this guy over on CB. I can vouch for his Democrat loyalty.

Whether or not they go through with it remains to be seen, of course, but I can tell you that the antipathy between the two camps exceeds mine for McCain (and that's no small thing). Another thing I can tell you, if I stick to my guns and don't vote McCain, I will not be voting Hillary/Obama guaranteed. I don't think as many Democrats feel the same way in the reverse.

[hyrum]

Originally Posted by BarbaraGordon

Reid said this morning on XM POTUS that they're planning on a new convention just for the superdelegates in June, so the Superdelegates can hash out whom to crown as the heir apparent to the party's throne. That way the nominee can begin moving forward in June instead of August. This is the last best hope for the Democrats.

That might not go over very well. The fat-cat superdelegates deciding the candidate behind closed doors a month before the open convention in the proverbial "smoke-filled room". If they want this to go their way, they should figure out a way to make this as open as possible. Ug-ly.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by hyrum

That might not go over very well. The fat-cat superdelegates deciding the candidate behind closed doors a month before the open convention in the proverbial "smoke-filled room". If they want this to go their way, they should figure out a way to make this as open as possible. Ug-ly.

I like it. I hope they do it. More ammo for Reps.

[Clark Addison]

Just one data point. I am a Democrat. not the strongest one by any means, I've voted for plenty of Republicans in my time, but I have never voted for a Republican for President (yes, I voted for Dukakis (my first time), you have a problem with that?). If it turns out to be Hillary vs. McCain this year, I will most likely vote for McCain.

[Tex]

Another interesting one, from DailyKos:

I just had what I consider to be a disturbing conversation with a Clinton supporter...

I asked her about the primary. She got an incredibly serious look on her face. We talked a little, avoiding the real meat of the primary. I told her I think the primary is over. I told her I think its just a matter of counting the votes at this point. She tepidly agreed. The pain in her face crushed me. She's hurt. I mean really, really hurt by this primary.

"I don't know," she says. "If its Obama, I think I'll go with McCain." I was stunned. This woman can't stand Bush. "If it has to be a republican, at least its McCain." ...

If you take anything from my diary I hope its this. Clinton supporters are deeply hurt. No matter what you think about Clinton, her supporters are good people. They're on our side, and they're hurt.

Interesting, but far more fascinating were the two additions afterward:

(UPDATE) Wow, I can't believe the response. I thought this would slide off into oblivion. I can't keep up with everyone's comments, so I'm sorry if I end up ignoring you.

(UPDATE 2) Wow. This diary just topped 1000 comments. Honestly I was hoping for 10 comments and to reach one person. I guess I struck a nerve. I think we should all take a look at this and realize the vast majority of us are ready to end this infighting. I don't think we know how quite yet, but we're ready.

Again, we don't know if these folks will actually follow through on such a threat, but the antipathy between the camps is there and it's real. If even half of those threatening to vote McCain actually do so, the Dem candidate is looking a disaster in the face.

http://dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/3...859/508/485636

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Perhaps. We've already got our very own Obamoonie, Cali Coug, saying that he will not vote for Clinton, and others, like this guy over on CB. I can vouch for his Democrat loyalty.

Whether or not they go through with it remains to be seen, of course, but I can tell you that the antipathy between the two camps exceeds mine for McCain (and that's no small thing). Another thing I can tell you, if I stick to my guns and don't vote McCain, I will not be voting Hillary/Obama guaranteed. I don't think as many Democrats feel the same way in the reverse.

Don't confuse my not voting for Hillary as a sign I will vote for McCain. Hillary is bad, McCain is much, much worse. I may write in a candidate, if it came to that.

But it won't- Obama has this thing locked.

[BarbaraGordon]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Don't confuse my not voting for Hillary as a sign I will vote for McCain. Hillary is bad, McCain is much, much worse. I may write in a candidate, if it came to that.

^^^

This should be the Dems' real concern. The stay home factor. As ER said, it really doesn't matter if the Hillary voters don't cross over (as claimed) and vote McCain. It's plenty damaging enough to the party if these women (as I notice the angry I'll-never-vote-OBama Hillary supporters all seem to be women) just decide to stay home.