01-30-2008, 07:53 PM | #51 |
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My observation of how the spirit works in people's lives is that if a person wants to feel the spirit and seeks it he will have it. No matter how vile the sinner be or the lack of repentance demonstrated, one simple "help me God" and the spirit is there.
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Which is why I began this conversation about worthiness by asking, in essence, "worthiness for what"?
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I know it's dangerous to quote Mormon leaders / authoritative literature in these quarters, but...
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To what end to do you parse and quote past leaders without context or development?
We don't care what your interpretation of these quotes in proper context is. They are our leaders and we use them in proper context for our benefit. You do not. This is a useless exercise. No non-academic non-member has any business quoting in small part the words of our lay leaders.
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You also know you could find 20 quotes that are heavy on the grace side that deemphasize works in the same way these quotes seem to with grace. You could also do the same exercise with the Bible. You could also do the same exercise with popular Christian evangelicals. Lame.
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I don't think Mormons will get very far on this issue until they stop seeing it as an issue of "emphasis" and start seeing it as an issue of how grace (or merit or "worthiness") systematically fits into a larger coherent theological worldview.
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Archaea, would you like to take a stab at explaining how the following quote could possibly ever be theologically justified by any sort of context?
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There's not a single thing in there that you would disagree with if you were honest with yourself. Believing that God values belief is no different in principle than believing that God values works. In both cases, you have to comply with God's priorities in order to be saved. As I said before, it makes sense to believe in a religion that absolves you from all but the tiniest responsibility, but trying to denigrate the beliefs of those who assume that God would want a little bit more from his people seems terribly counterproductive. If all God requires is belief, then both religions are fine, since neither religion has much of a clue on the specifics and nitpicking is pointless and petty. If God requires anything more than that, you're effed. Your belief that Mormons worship "the wrong Jesus" is not only hypocritical since you know so very little about Jesus and everything else, but also flat-out wrong, since the Mormon interpretation is no less likely to be accurate than anyone else's. |
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