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MikeWaters · 12-11-2007, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

*Tex tosses chips in the pot.*

I'll see your racism, and raise you one didactic ignoramus.

If you have studied the history of the beginnings of blacks and the priesthood, and come to the conclusion that it was God's commandment, then you are a racist, in my very humble opinion.

Otherwise, you are just an ignoramus.

Indy Coug · 12-11-2007, 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If you have studied the history of the beginnings of blacks and the priesthood, and come to the conclusion that it was God's commandment, then you are a racist, in my very humble opinion.

Otherwise, you are just an ignoramus.

So which of the above was Mark, the black LDS official?

BYU71 · 12-11-2007, 04:40 PM

in love, I mean really, really in love with his point of view. There are some great inconsistencies in the church. If you want to make fun of the church and rip on it, there is plenty of ammunition as there is with any church.

It would be fun to debate him though, because people who only see black and white can be trapped over and over again. That is why mullahs on both boards are such easy targets.

MikeWaters · 12-11-2007, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

So which of the above was Mark, the black LDS official?

Probably an ignoramus.

Tex · 12-11-2007, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If you have studied the history of the beginnings of blacks and the priesthood, and come to the conclusion that it was God's commandment, then you are a racist, in my very humble opinion.

Otherwise, you are just an ignoramus.

As I said a few weeks ago, regardless of the ban's origin it is apparent from the DOM book that God was complicit in continuing it for multiple decades. If you are unable to bend that fact into your desired world view, it's not my problem.

BYU71 · 12-11-2007, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

If you have studied the history of the beginnings of blacks and the priesthood, and come to the conclusion that it was God's commandment, then you are a racist, in my very humble opinion.

Otherwise, you are just an ignoramus.

Well, I personally believe 90% of the practices in the mormon church are not commandment. It is like God is the stockholder and allows the CEO to run the company. Too many people in my opinion think decisions made by the CEO are done because of direct consultation with God. I personally don't thinks so.

That is why "every young man a missionary" is counsel, not commandment, IMHO.

JohnnyLingo · 12-11-2007, 04:58 PM

I'm offended that Mike didn't include me in his bigoted remark about how racist people are if they believe differently than he does.

I'm constantly amused about how you believe you have a perfect understanding of the mind of God, Mike. The arrogance is staggering.

ilmf · 12-11-2007, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

Well, I personally believe 90% of the practices in the mormon church are not commandment. It is like God is the stockholder and allows the CEO to run the company. Too many people in my opinion think decisions made by the CEO are done because of direct consultation with God. I personally don't thinks so.

That is why "every young man a missionary" is counsel, not commandment, IMHO.

Very well put.

Tex · 12-11-2007, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Adam

This is the only evidence that "God was compicit in continuing it for multiple decades."

If the chruch architect told the truth and DOM told the chruch architect the full story, then Tex is right.
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BTW, I tend to believe that the chruch architect was making it up or getting it wrong.

Not exactly. As I noted in the link below (item #2), there are several references to prophets making queries to the Lord on the topic. If the Lord wanted to do it sooner, he certainly had the opportunity.

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...35&postcount=1

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Originally Posted by Adam

It is amazing the Tex camp of church defenders always bash those of us who question regarding the second hand nature of our sources, yet turn to such sources themselves when convenient.

Do you have some examples, or are you just making this up?

SoCalCoug · 12-11-2007, 07:43 PM

Let's say I have a friend who was a smoker for 20 years. He becomes interested in joining the church, and I participate in the lessons with the missionaries. We discuss the word of wisdom with him, and he learns that it is a commandment not to smoke. He asks me to help him quit smoking.

Do I tell him, "Okay, stop smoking now"? He's addicted and it's very difficult to quit, of course. So I tell him he's not likely to stop overnight, but I would help him to reduce his smoking gradually, and support him in that, until several weeks or months later, he's in a position to stop smoking entirely, thus bringing himself in compliance with the word of wisdom.

Was I complicit in his continued smoking? Or did I just recognize that other things needed to happen within him before his body was in a position to cut off the nicotine completely?

12-11-2007, 04:40 PM	#13
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	Larry O is one of those folks who is in love, I mean really, really in love with his point of view. There are some great inconsistencies in the church. If you want to make fun of the church and rip on it, there is plenty of ammunition as there is with any church. It would be fun to debate him though, because people who only see black and white can be trapped over and over again. That is why mullahs on both boards are such easy targets.

12-11-2007, 07:43 PM	#20
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	Let's say I have a friend who was a smoker for 20 years. He becomes interested in joining the church, and I participate in the lessons with the missionaries. We discuss the word of wisdom with him, and he learns that it is a commandment not to smoke. He asks me to help him quit smoking. Do I tell him, "Okay, stop smoking now"? He's addicted and it's very difficult to quit, of course. So I tell him he's not likely to stop overnight, but I would help him to reduce his smoking gradually, and support him in that, until several weeks or months later, he's in a position to stop smoking entirely, thus bringing himself in compliance with the word of wisdom. Was I complicit in his continued smoking? Or did I just recognize that other things needed to happen within him before his body was in a position to cut off the nicotine completely? __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

12-11-2007, 04:58 PM	#17
JohnnyLingo Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 2,175	I'm offended that Mike didn't include me in his bigoted remark about how racist people are if they believe differently than he does. I'm constantly amused about how you believe you have a perfect understanding of the mind of God, Mike. The arrogance is staggering.