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02-18-2008, 06:49 PM | #1 |
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Funk and tourney success
For the record, this thing where Funk and other Ute fans harp on the tourney success thing as the only important criteria in evaluating a team, program, coach, player, whatever is really really stupid and overstated.
Yeah, we get it. BYU has not had good tourney success lately. Utah has. It doesn't take away the importance of other measures such as overall record, head to head record, conference championships, national rankings. Success in the tourney may be the most important of all those, but because it's a one game situation, there is a lot of randomness involved. Roy Williams looked like a bad coach for years because of tourney failures. Now he's an expert. I'd say the reason for the change is due more to luck and randomness than anything else. Weber State obviously has not had a better program/players/coaches/teams, etc over the past 20 years than BYU, but they've had more tourney success. |
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The same issue exists in Football.
Yes, BYU has a poor bowl record. The sad thing is, those who like to run that smack are ignoring the facts...BYU has consistently faced superior teams in their bowl losses, as opposed to facing teams you should be ashamed of losing to... Last edited by Spaz; 02-18-2008 at 07:07 PM. Reason: initial post was pretty lame. |
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When all is said and done, will a team be remembered for what it did during the regular season or the post season, be it football or basketball?
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I would say it is a mixed bag. Teams that win a championship are remembered for the post season, for the rest they are mostly remembered only by their own fans, and then generally for their season.
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For me at least, it's hard to boil a single season, football or basketball, down to one game.
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There is no question in my mind that, fair or not, teams are defined by the biggest games on the biggest stages.
The Patriot's season this year is defined by a single loss. For all the wins the Buffalo Bills had over their great stretch, they are defined by Superbowl defeats rather than AFC championships. As stated above, the Roy Williams Kansas teams are defined by their failure to come up big in the biggest games. I do see a difference between schools with a national presence and MWC teams. This is no dig at BYU. Any time a MWC team makes the sweet 16 that is a major accomplishment and something that will be remembered. MWC championships are nice, but nothing to write home about. The MWC just isn't that good in any sport in any year. You have to win in the MWC and then also win on a national stage. I don't think you want to overstate Utah's success here, particularly the bowl games because a lot of them came against lesser teams. On the other hand, while I do understand BYU fans' desire to emphasize the positive, the truth is that only BYU fans remember conference championships. Everywhere else in the country you are define by your post season performance. I'm not saying that the post season ought to matter more to BYU fans, I'm speaking purely from the standpoint of nation perception. Maybe that doesn't/shouldn't matter.
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20 years from now, no one will ever argue that the 2007 Giants were better than the Pats or Eli better than Brady or their coach more successful than Pats coach...even if you were to just isolate the 2007 season. Like others have said, I'm not sure what people remember or if they remember much at all, but NCAA tourney play is definitely not the only criteria. Especially when the difference is a Sweet 16 vs a one and done. I want a Sweet 16 more than anyone for my team, but it's pretty silly to just look at NCAA record and ignore everything else as a measuring stick. |
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They'll always remember this team that took 2nd place.
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