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MikeWaters · 06-27-2014, 09:30 PM

In my experience, the women in leadership are constantly deferring to the men. The RS president, the YW president, the Primary president. To the point that when they do it with me, I tell them to speak their mind as they please.

We had a stake priesthood leadership meeting recently (yes, how it is that I am among the leadership is a mystery to me as well). And some of the women leaders were invited to the last part of it. When it came time for feedback, it was the women that had the most to say in terms of suggestions. I found that interesting, in light of recent events. Women invited to a priesthood leadership meeting and having the most active voices by far.

This is the kind of thing we need to do. Involve women to the greatest extent possible. Stretch that handbook to its limits. This will help the church, not harm it.

MikeWaters · 06-27-2014, 09:49 PM

It may be worth noting that Holland at Harvard is the son of the apostle Holland. And he was also previously a Bishop.

He is trying to occupy that space between academic honesty and orthodoxy. In other words, he wants to sound sane to his colleagues, and faithful to his Mormonism.

MikeWaters · 06-27-2014, 09:59 PM

His Sacred Borders book was published in 2011 and still doesn't have a single review on Amazon.

Maybe no one can afford it. Or wants to pay for it.

MikeWaters · 07-09-2014, 04:42 PM

Now some are asking for disciplinary hearings.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...f8f_story.html

ChinoCoug · 07-09-2014, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

His Sacred Borders book was published in 2011 and still doesn't have a single review on Amazon.

Maybe no one can afford it. Or wants to pay for it.

Google scholar lists 9 citations, four of them academic sources (not including Mormon-specific ones).

The book is textbook price. I bought a copy but I haven't gotten to it.

MikeWaters · 07-21-2014, 08:42 PM

Everytime I see something on the net from Dehlin and then look at the comments, it comes across quite strongly that he is beloved by those that despise the LDS church.

I think that must drive some of the animus from dedicated members. You can't be the very favorite guy in the world of those that stomp around the internet looking to hate the LDS church and still be in good stead.

At least, that's how it probably comes across to many.

SoonerCoug · 07-21-2014, 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Everytime I see something on the net from Dehlin and then look at the comments, it comes across quite strongly that he is beloved by those that despise the LDS church.

I think that must drive some of the animus from dedicated members. You can't be the very favorite guy in the world of those that stomp around the internet looking to hate the LDS church and still be in good stead.

At least, that's how it probably comes across to many.

I have never had much interest in Dehlin or what he does. Almost none.

I don't understand what the big deal with him is. Maybe it's just that he introduces so many people to all sorts of things that my parents taught me when I was teenager (problems with P of GP, etc). I've watched a couple of his interviews. They were fine, I guess.

My opinion is that the Church has gone after Dehlin and Kelly simply because they view them as scapegoats for a larger problem (loss of control of information because of the internet).

Archaea · 07-21-2014, 11:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

I have never had much interest in Dehlin or what he does. Almost none.

I don't understand what the big deal with him is. Maybe it's just that he introduces so many people to all sorts of things that my parents taught me when I was teenager (problems with P of GP, etc). I've watched a couple of his interviews. They were fine, I guess.

My opinion is that the Church has gone after Dehlin and Kelly simply because they view them as scapegoats for a larger problem (loss of control of information because of the internet).

I find him to be boring and non-sensational.

MikeWaters · 07-22-2014, 12:20 AM

So no one here is going to his marriage retreat?

Archaea · 07-22-2014, 12:35 AM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

So no one here is going to his marriage retreat?

huh? His what?

06-27-2014, 09:30 PM	#51
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	In my experience, the women in leadership are constantly deferring to the men. The RS president, the YW president, the Primary president. To the point that when they do it with me, I tell them to speak their mind as they please. We had a stake priesthood leadership meeting recently (yes, how it is that I am among the leadership is a mystery to me as well). And some of the women leaders were invited to the last part of it. When it came time for feedback, it was the women that had the most to say in terms of suggestions. I found that interesting, in light of recent events. Women invited to a priesthood leadership meeting and having the most active voices by far. This is the kind of thing we need to do. Involve women to the greatest extent possible. Stretch that handbook to its limits. This will help the church, not harm it.

06-27-2014, 09:49 PM	#52
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	It may be worth noting that Holland at Harvard is the son of the apostle Holland. And he was also previously a Bishop. He is trying to occupy that space between academic honesty and orthodoxy. In other words, he wants to sound sane to his colleagues, and faithful to his Mormonism.

06-27-2014, 09:59 PM	#53
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	His Sacred Borders book was published in 2011 and still doesn't have a single review on Amazon. Maybe no one can afford it. Or wants to pay for it.

07-09-2014, 04:42 PM	#54
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Now some are asking for disciplinary hearings. http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/...f8f_story.html

07-21-2014, 08:42 PM	#56
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Everytime I see something on the net from Dehlin and then look at the comments, it comes across quite strongly that he is beloved by those that despise the LDS church. I think that must drive some of the animus from dedicated members. You can't be the very favorite guy in the world of those that stomp around the internet looking to hate the LDS church and still be in good stead. At least, that's how it probably comes across to many.

07-22-2014, 12:20 AM	#59
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	So no one here is going to his marriage retreat?