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Venkman · 01-11-2009, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

The system stinks, but it is the system. Utah wouldn't have been #1 in 1984, not without a 1983 BYU-type season preceding it. Utah could even be #1 in 2009, if they were to go undefeated again. I don't know that the BCS era is all that different than the non-BCS era. Utah went undefeated in 2008 but had a lousy 2007. Give them a 12-1 2007 and Utah is playing in Miami against Florida.

Bingo.

exUte · 01-11-2009, 02:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

It isn't mythical. It happened. Unanimously. Perhaps Utah's overall achievements are more impressive to you in 2008. The voters didn't seem to think that was relevant in making their decision in 1984.

PRoblem is that the USAToday poll mandates that the winner of the mythical National Championship be voted as #1

exUte · 01-11-2009, 02:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Blue K: I think Utah in 2008 was better than BYU in 1984, even though Utah was ranked no. 2 and BYU no. 1.

Cali: No. BYU was better. Look at the rankings.

Classic Cali.

Back in 1984, BYU kept moving up as other teams lost ahead of them. Even though BYU was playing a weaker schedule. That was the nature of the beast then. How many top 20 teams did BYU beat in 1984?

SeattleUte · 01-11-2009, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

The system stinks, but it is the system. Utah wouldn't have been #1 in 1984, not without a 1983 BYU-type season preceding it. Utah could even be #1 in 2009, if they were to go undefeated again. I don't know that the BCS era is all that different than the non-BCS era. Utah went undefeated in 2008 but had a lousy 2007. Give them a 12-1 2007 and Utah is playing in Miami against Florida.

That you say Utah was "lousy" last year after coming here recently and saying BYU had a "great" year this year really says it all. Had BYU not let everyone down with its embarrassment in the Vegas bowl Utah might have gotten a few more votes. Two years ago Utah beat a Georgia Tech team that was within the top 20. Has BYU ever beaten a ranked team in a bowl game? Has BYU ever beaten a team that weas ranked at year's end? We know it didn't happen in 1984, but has that ever happened? I think it may have never happened, because BYU has really never won a bowl game that gave it any distinction.

All-American · 01-11-2009, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Has BYU ever beaten a ranked team in a bowl game? Has BYU ever beaten a team that weas ranked at year's end? We know it didn't happen in 1984, but has that ever happened? I think it may have never happened, because BYU has really never won a bowl game that gave it any distinction.

1997 Cotton Bowl. Kansas State came in at #14. They finished at #17.

Cali Coug · 01-11-2009, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

That you say Utah was "lousy" last year after coming here recently and saying BYU had a "great" year this year really says it all. Had BYU not let everyone down with its embarrassment in the Vegas bowl Utah might have gotten a few more votes. Two years ago Utah beat a Georgia Tech team that was within the top 20. Has BYU ever beaten a ranked team in a bowl game? Has BYU ever beaten a team that weas ranked at year's end? We know it didn't happen in 1984, but has that ever happened? I think it may have never happened, because BYU has really never won a bowl game that gave it any distinction.

Ah, SU, you are adorable when you try to be angry. I can picture you, typing furiously in your righteous indignation, upset that your keyboard wasn't built to allow you to type with ease with your pinky finger extended upward in effete fashion.

You have clearly discovered "the internets," as your presence here indicates. Now you just need to discover "the Google."

1980: SMU, #20
1991: Iowa, # 10 (tie)
1996: Kansas State, #17

By the way, the Google would have also told you that GT was not ranked at season's end in 2005. Utah has had two bowl victories over top 25 teams: the Fiesta Bowl (Pitt was #25), and this year.

I bet your pinky is shaking with fury now!

SeattleUte · 01-12-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Cali Coug

1980: SMU, #20
1991: Iowa, # 10 (tie)
1996: Kansas State, #17

Tie. LOL. This is not impressive. I see Utah has in the th space of five years eclipsed BYU's tradiotn.

If I remember, SMU involved an improbable hail Mary by Jim McMahon on the last play of the game.

As for Georgia Tech, I don't think it's fair to punish Utah for slaughtering the jackets and causing them to drop out of the top 25. GT had just finished a fine year ranked. Here's something BYU fans have almost no experience in: if you beat a ranked team, it invariably will drop in the polls. That's just an unavoidable consequence. I don't know the solutin to that conundrum.

Mars · 01-18-2009, 08:13 PM

BYU was ranked #1 BEFORE they played their bowl game.
Utah was ranked #8.

MLOdawgs · 01-22-2009, 02:15 AM

In my opinion, Washington was the National Champions in 1984.

All-American · 01-22-2009, 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by MLOdawgs

In my opinion, Washington was the National Champions in 1984.

Aw, that's cute.

01-18-2009, 08:13 PM	#28
Mars Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Cougartown, USA Posts: 336	BYU was ranked #1 BEFORE they played their bowl game. Utah was ranked #8. __________________ "Enter to Learn, Go Fourth and Eighteen!" :twisted:

01-22-2009, 02:15 AM	#29
MLOdawgs Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 11	In my opinion, Washington was the National Champions in 1984.