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Old 02-03-2008, 03:33 PM   #41
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Guys, listen, there is more to the story than just skipping church a few times. Seriously. There would be a bunch more students in that one ward kicked out of BYU at the same time. We would hear about that. If that was Wayne Childs position that every student must attend church x amount of times per month, then there is no way that just Ken Walton was the only guilty one. Think about it.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:42 PM   #42
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Wow, what an unfortunate situation. I certainly hope there is more to the story than the article is letting on, because as written it reflects poorly on the church.

And I think we ought to be careful jumping to conclusions about the bishop and stake president, based on what the young man's father quoted them as having said.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:25 PM   #43
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BYU71, do you attend priesthood, or just sacrament mtg? Because if your order is sacrament meeting, then skip sunday school, then attend priesthood, that describes about half the men in the church.
including most of the leadership and clerks.
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Old 02-03-2008, 04:26 PM   #44
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Guys, listen, there is more to the story than just skipping church a few times. Seriously. There would be a bunch more students in that one ward kicked out of BYU at the same time. We would hear about that. If that was Wayne Childs position that every student must attend church x amount of times per month, then there is no way that just Ken Walton was the only guilty one. Think about it.
What more could there be, if it's not an honor code issue? The Honor Code confirmed that, so it's not sex and drugs. If it's not those, then sparse BYU attendance is idiotic. There really can't be much to the story.

There are very few things which can dismiss a player. I know people in our culture wish to believe and to trust unfailingly in authority, but just look at the possibilities. There aren't many.
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I don't blindly trust the leaders. I know there are plenty of leaders in the church that are power hungry freaks. My point is, if it were just for missing church a few times, half his ward would be kicked out. If it were other HC related issues, the Bishop could just pull the EE and the honor code office wouldn't even have to be contacted.
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I don't blindly trust the leaders. I know there are plenty of leaders in the church that are power hungry freaks. My point is, if it were just for missing church a few times, half his ward would be kicked out. If it were other HC related issues, the Bishop could just pull the EE and the honor code office wouldn't even have to be contacted.
I seem to believe that it wasn't more than this. Like others suggested the HC would be involved if it were something other than this. And if it weren't this, then why did the Bishop contact Law to tell his players that they needed to be more active?
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Nobody has answered my question. If this was rule in Childs ward, then why isn't half his ward kicked out? No way is it soley for missing 5 meetings.
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According to http://honorcode.byu.edu/content/view/3584/4641/ it can be appealed. Sounds like the SP said no but the link says you can appeal to the area authority for BYU.
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Nobody has answered my question. If this was rule in Childs ward, then why isn't half his ward kicked out? No way is it soley for missing 5 meetings.
Yeah, this is the problem when these things get into the media, we hear only one side of the story. The rest is speculation.

How hard can it be to maintain an EE?
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Nobody has answered my question. If this was rule in Childs ward, then why isn't half his ward kicked out? No way is it soley for missing 5 meetings.
Can't answer your question. However by your continued insistence that there has to be more, can I assume if it turns out to be just attendance, you would join those who condemn the Bishop.

I say those, because I am disagreeing with the Bishop if it is just attendance, but I wouldn't attack him personally. The system is set up where if he believes attendance alone disqaulifies the kid, that is his right.
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