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Old 11-09-2008, 10:56 PM   #21
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Spoken like a real scouter.

No kid earns his Eagle at 14 without his mom doing some of the work for him. And by some, I mean thinking up, coordinating, and basically completing almost all aspects of the eagle project.
Nonsense.
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Old 11-09-2008, 11:06 PM   #22
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I was a life scout at 16, with only an eagle project left, never did get my eagle. I just became to burned out and really didnt care. In fact I still dont have any regrets, my resume does but not me.
This is me, too. I was involved in too many activities and took stock and decided, hey, this is so not worth it to me. I switched over to explorer scouts with the BSA, where we did much cooler stuff and didn't have to wear those hokey blue and green outfits.

I've regretted that decision pretty much never.
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Old 11-09-2008, 11:11 PM   #23
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Nonsense.
ok, fair. but by and large.

LDS troops pass off badges en masse at ward campouts, mutuals, etc. It isnt very rigorous.
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Old 11-09-2008, 11:59 PM   #24
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Just look at all the 14 year old kids getting their Eagle Scout in Utah. Enough said.
I was 14 when I received my Eagle Scout rank.

Of course, my dad was scoutmaster so I got it as quickly as I could in order to get out of scouting and doing other things.
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Spoken like a real scouter.

No kid earns his Eagle at 14 without his mom doing some of the work for him. And by some, I mean thinking up, coordinating, and basically completing almost all aspects of the eagle project.
Projection doesn't work on this site, friend.
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Projection doesn't work on this site, friend.
Oh, jeez. No need to start channeling McCain!
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Oh, jeez. No need to start channeling McCain!
Channeling McCain?

No, I just call it like I see it.
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Eagle is an interesting award. It can mean very much when a kid shows initiative and completes it the way it was meant to be completed. It can mean very little if it's completed factory style. I can't tell you how many boards of review I've sat in on where the kids can't even answer a simple question about the work they've done.
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Old 11-10-2008, 01:15 AM   #29
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Eagle is an interesting award. It can mean very much when a kid shows initiative and completes it the way it was meant to be completed. It can mean very little if it's completed factory style. I can't tell you how many boards of review I've sat in on where the kids can't even answer a simple question about the work they've done.
It's an interesting aspect of LDS culture in that to a large degree, there is a flywheel effect with the Eagle (at least in some wards) that is incomprehensible to scouters outside of the Church.

To LDS, scouting = Eagle. It's a rite of passage no different than getting baptized, receiving the priesthood, graduation seminary/HS, going on a mission, etc. t's "expected"

Are some kids drug through it? Sure. But the same is true of all of the above.
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It's an interesting aspect of LDS culture in that to a large degree, there is a flywheel effect with the Eagle (at least in some wards) that is incomprehensible to scouters outside of the Church.

To LDS, scouting = Eagle. It's a rite of passage no different than getting baptized, receiving the priesthood, graduation seminary/HS, going on a mission, etc. t's "expected"

Are some kids drug through it? Sure. But the same is true of all of the above.
I can comprehend it. I've seen it for the past 2 years now that I am in YMs.

All the scouts get together at weekly mutuals/YM activities and get things passed off whether they really did anything or not. As long as they were there, they get it passed off.

Our ward YM recently did almost all of the 3 citizenship badges in one Saturday morning. They all showed up at the chapel, the adults spoke to the kids, asked questions to the kids (thereby loosely fulfilling the requirements) and everyone passed. There was no real effort on the part of the boys. they just sat there and listened for the most part.

I don't mind, however, since I hate scouts. I am just pointing out my observation.
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