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Old 07-18-2014, 06:38 PM   #11
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I am pretty sure there was zero gay passenger on Iran Air civilian Flight 655 which USS Vincennes shot down on 3 july in 1998. They were already taken care of by the Islamic government.
You don't believe radar has improved in 16 years in light of past mistakes?

Russians don't make mistakes; they are perfect. Just ask Putin.
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I appreciate your perspective.

It was a mistake. This was a mistake too.

What is important is the circumstances surrounding the mistakes and how to prevent these sorts of mistakes.
Well, Subverting the elected governemt of the Ukraine and escalating the crisis between the countries in the region is one way to reduce the mistakes.
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Old 07-18-2014, 06:42 PM   #13
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I appreciate your perspective.

It was a mistake. This was a mistake too.

What is important is the circumstances surrounding the mistakes and how to prevent these sorts of mistakes.
Russians have no interest in preventing mistakes. People don't understand Putin, former KGB/FSB operative. The mindset is quite alien to what the rest of us use. Think, hunkered down, cheated, world seeking to deprive you of greatness, almost a Napoleon type complex, and you can begin to understand the current mindset of Putin and his силовики.
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Old 07-18-2014, 06:43 PM   #14
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Well, Subverting the elected governemt of the Ukraine and escalating the crisis between the countries in the region is one way to reduce the mistakes.
You may be employing your sly sense of humor; otherwise, I don't see how that reduces mistakes.
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You don't believe radar has improved in 16 years in light of past mistakes?

Russians don't make mistakes; they are perfect. Just ask Putin.
The US is supposed to be at least a decade ahead . So no excuse.
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The US is supposed to be at least a decade ahead . So no excuse.
A fact not in evidence. Perhaps it was not a mistake; I lack the inside intelligence to know.
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A fact not in evidence. Perhaps it was not a mistake; I lack the inside intelligence to know.
You are right. Nobody knows what exactly happened. I am just happy there was no gay on the flight.
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Old 07-18-2014, 06:59 PM   #18
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Russians have no interest in preventing mistakes. People don't understand Putin, former KGB/FSB operative. The mindset is quite alien to what the rest of us use. Think, hunkered down, cheated, world seeking to deprive you of greatness, almost a Napoleon type complex, and you can begin to understand the current mindset of Putin and his силовики.
I agree 100%. Spot on.
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Luckily we have a shrewd president who always knows how to handle these situations. :|
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Luckily we have a shrewd president who always knows how to handle these situations. :|
Really the only significant thing he could pull off at this point would be to convince Germany to impose big sanctions at great risk to their own economy. Probably not going to happen.

Other than this and broader US sanctions, I think Obama's hands are basically tied in terms of meaningful intervention.
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