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SoonerCoug · 03-13-2008, 05:21 PM

Do most prophets enjoy the veneration that they receive? For example--does it give them a certain satisfaction to see thousands of people fall silent and stand up when they enter a room?

I think any human being would enjoy veneration to a certain extent, but some might feel more embarrassment than satisfaction. I have no idea what our prophets feel in this regard, but I'm curious whether a prophet might someday tell people to stop standing up and treat them the same way they would treat the average Joe. After all, isn't that what Christ would say?

Another way to look at it would be to say that it's OK to kiss up as long as people kiss down and sideways and to the right and the left and every which way. Under that philosophy, venerating a prophet sounds pretty reasonable. But then we'd end up standing up for everyone, which would make people tired.

All-American · 03-13-2008, 05:29 PM

From what I know about the brethren, they have a deep and abiding respect for their callings. They go to great lengths to protect the dignity of the office which goes far and above their own personal desires.

I think that the prophet (or the apostles, as congregations often stand for a visiting member of the quorum) don't personally care for it, but would never do or say anything to discourage a gesture of respect towards their office.

creekster · 03-13-2008, 05:31 PM

Jesus didn't get too upset when Mary washed and anointed him, although Judas seemed to think it wasn't so great, as I recall.

Indy Coug · 03-13-2008, 05:32 PM

I went to a company Christmas dinner when I worked for Beneficial Life, which is owned by the church. The bulk of the Q12 and FP were there. At the end of the dinner, people lined up so they could shake his and Sis Hinckley's hands as they left. You could tell he wasn't all that comfortable with the ad hoc gesture and would have rather left quietly just like everyone else.

SoonerCoug · 03-13-2008, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

You could tell he wasn't all that comfortable with the ad hoc gesture and would have rather left quietly just like everyone else.

It probably gets old after about 30 years or so.

At the same time, I think a few focused conference talks could shut this stuff down.

My ex-mother-in-law once chased Sister Hinckley across the room as she walked into general conference and gave Sis Hinckley a giant hug, even though Sis Hinckley had no idea who had just attacked her. The security personnel were pretty freaked out.

myboynoah · 03-13-2008, 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

Jesus didn't get too upset when Mary washed and anointed him, although Judas seemed to think it wasn't so great, as I recall.

A most excellently hillarious reply.

Tex · 03-13-2008, 05:50 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

Jesus didn't get too upset when Mary washed and anointed him, although Judas seemed to think it wasn't so great, as I recall.

This was my initial thought as well. Jesus didn't have too much problem with people worshipping him ... probably one example we ought not to follow.

Tex · 03-13-2008, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

Another way to look at it would be to say that it's OK to kiss up as long as people kiss down and sideways and to the right and the left and every which way. Under that philosophy, venerating a prophet sounds pretty reasonable. But then we'd end up standing up for everyone, which would make people tired.

Suggestion: stand up for them in public, then come to Cougarguard and criticize them anonymously.

BYU71 · 03-13-2008, 05:52 PM

I think the brethern are all human. I think some enjoy the power and prestige.

I think Pres. Hinckley was one of the most genuine humans and I didn't detect even a bit of letting power and prestige go to his head.

SoonerCoug · 03-13-2008, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Suggestion: stand up for them in public, then come to Cougarguard and criticize them anonymously.

Who ever said that I stand up for them in public?

Silly assumption on your part.

03-13-2008, 05:21 PM	#1
SoonerCoug Formerly known as MudPhudCoug Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Land of desolation Posts: 2,548	Standing up for the prophet--revisited Do most prophets enjoy the veneration that they receive? For example--does it give them a certain satisfaction to see thousands of people fall silent and stand up when they enter a room? I think any human being would enjoy veneration to a certain extent, but some might feel more embarrassment than satisfaction. I have no idea what our prophets feel in this regard, but I'm curious whether a prophet might someday tell people to stop standing up and treat them the same way they would treat the average Joe. After all, isn't that what Christ would say? Another way to look at it would be to say that it's OK to kiss up as long as people kiss down and sideways and to the right and the left and every which way. Under that philosophy, venerating a prophet sounds pretty reasonable. But then we'd end up standing up for everyone, which would make people tired.

03-13-2008, 05:29 PM	#2
All-American Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 3,420	From what I know about the brethren, they have a deep and abiding respect for their callings. They go to great lengths to protect the dignity of the office which goes far and above their own personal desires. I think that the prophet (or the apostles, as congregations often stand for a visiting member of the quorum) don't personally care for it, but would never do or say anything to discourage a gesture of respect towards their office. __________________ εν αρχη ην ο λογος

03-13-2008, 05:31 PM	#3
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	Jesus didn't get too upset when Mary washed and anointed him, although Judas seemed to think it wasn't so great, as I recall. __________________ Sorry for th e tpyos.

03-13-2008, 05:32 PM	#4
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	I went to a company Christmas dinner when I worked for Beneficial Life, which is owned by the church. The bulk of the Q12 and FP were there. At the end of the dinner, people lined up so they could shake his and Sis Hinckley's hands as they left. You could tell he wasn't all that comfortable with the ad hoc gesture and would have rather left quietly just like everyone else.

03-13-2008, 05:52 PM	#9
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	I think the brethern are all human. I think some enjoy the power and prestige. I think Pres. Hinckley was one of the most genuine humans and I didn't detect even a bit of letting power and prestige go to his head.