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Old 09-25-2008, 07:12 PM   #41
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Fortunately, there are more positive modern messages related to thinking for ourselves without fear of your beloved apocalypse.

From 1998 FP Message (J. E. Faust):

"As a means of coming to truth, people in the Church are encouraged by their leaders to think and find out for themselves. They are encouraged to ponder, to search, to evaluate, and thereby to come to such knowledge of the truth as their own consciences, assisted by the Spirit of God, lead them to discover.

Brigham Young said: “I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security. … Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [1941], 135). In this manner no one need be deceived."
I prefer something simpler:

"Nothing is more surprising than the easiness with which the many are governed by the few.” David Hume
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:14 PM   #42
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Take your tired message of fire and brimstone and shove it.
I actually look forward to those windy, self-important, and way overly long LDS Church sophystries.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:17 PM   #43
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...Will be interesting to see how this topic is addressed next week in GC. Look for not so subtle inferences to obedience (as in blind) and the suspension of members thinking for ourselves.
Man, you're a cynical bastard.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:19 PM   #44
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Man, you're a cynical bastard.
Why thank you brother.

At least I exist in tangible form.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:22 PM   #45
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Fortunately, there are more positive modern messages related to thinking for ourselves without fear of your beloved apocalypse.

From 1998 FP Message (J. E. Faust):

"As a means of coming to truth, people in the Church are encouraged by their leaders to think and find out for themselves. They are encouraged to ponder, to search, to evaluate, and thereby to come to such knowledge of the truth as their own consciences, assisted by the Spirit of God, lead them to discover.

Brigham Young said: “I am more afraid that this people have so much confidence in their leaders that they will not inquire for themselves of God whether they are led by him. I am fearful they settle down in a state of blind self-security. … Let every man and woman know, by the whispering of the Spirit of God to themselves, whether their leaders are walking in the path the Lord dictates, or not” (Discourses of Brigham Young, sel. John A. Widtsoe [1941], 135). In this manner no one need be deceived."
Hello, non sequitur.

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Take your tired message of fire and brimstone and shove it.
I'm not sure I can get it further down your throat.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:22 PM   #46
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I can't believe the Church invested its goodwill in such a loser. Losing good political capital for no gain. Why?
So you only fight fights you can win? You don't stand up for a cause you believe in, even though you know you will lose?

Martin Luther King would be proud.
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Old 09-25-2008, 07:27 PM   #47
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So you only fight fights you can win? You don't stand up for a cause you believe in, even though you know you will lose?

Martin Luther King would be proud.
Shouldn't the prophet be inquiring if it's a winnable fight before he asks members to pump in millions of dollars?

Seems a simple enough request.
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Shouldn't the prophet be inquiring if it's a winnable fight before he asks members to pump in millions of dollars?

Seems a simple enough request.
Inquiring of whom? Pollsters or God?
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Shouldn't the prophet be inquiring if it's a winnable fight before he asks members to pump in millions of dollars?

Seems a simple enough request.
If only someone had suggested that to Mormon.
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Ohhhhh nooooo!!!!!!!!!! I think you've hit upon the root cause of the financial debacle.
The church could bail out Goldman Sachs et al., in a second, if it wanted to.
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