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non sequitur · 01-18-2006, 04:39 PM

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=1705327

"74 abortions for every 100 births in NYC in 2004

Here's the NY Daily News article: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/38 2990p-325078c.html"

What I find ironic is that many of the people who find this statistic so horrific are the same ones that oppose birth control being discussed in schools and birth control being made available to teens without parental consent. Do these people have a realistic solution to deal with unwanted pregnancies?

il Padrino Ute · 01-18-2006, 04:47 PM

Putting the child up for adoption is a realistic solution.

SeattleUte · 01-18-2006, 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/message.html?id=1705327

"74 abortions for every 100 births in NYC in 2004

Here's the NY Daily News article: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/38 2990p-325078c.html"

What I find ironic is that many of the people who find this statistic so horrific are the same ones that oppose birth control being discussed in schools and birth control being made available to teens without parental consent. Do these people have a realistic solution to deal with unwanted pregnancies?

To add to your comment, non sequitor, I heard on NPR yesterday that in the past ten years (the time span may have been slightly different than I remember) there's been a drastic decline in teen pregnancy. Even in the inner city it's down by over one-third. This can only be due to education.

DirtyHippieUTE · 01-18-2006, 05:14 PM

His numbers are a bit screwy... The title line implies that 74% of the pregnant women in NYC are having abortions. Reading on, it's more like 40%.

Still...

Those are extremely high numbers.

I'm not one for making abortion 100% illegal. I think there are circumstances where an abortion may be an acceptable solution.

However, numbers like these support the idea that people in America give little or no thought to the consequences of unprotected sex. I would be very curious to see what the NY policy on birth control education is.

Assuming NYC schools are as "liberal" (nobody get their hackes up) as the State's abortion laws imply, you would assume that kids in school are receiving education about birth control in school.

Apparently it's not working. Then again... What is the median age of these women? How many of these women who had abortions are in school?

These numbers are hard to look at without a whole lot of other information (e.g. % of women who were pregnant due to rape).

non sequitur · 01-18-2006, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Putting the child up for adoption is a realistic solution.

I think adoption would be a viable option for a small percentage of people, but there aren't enough people looking to adopt infants -- especially non-white infants -- to account for that number of unwanted pregnancies.

I haven't seen studies, but I would imagine that if all those unwanted pregnancies had been brought to term, a large portion of those children would end up being supported by various welfare programs. Are we willing to accept that economic burden?

DirtyHippieUTE · 01-18-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by non sequitur

there aren't enough people looking to adopt infants -- especially non-white infants -- to account for that number of unwanted pregnancies.

That would be an interesting figure to compare. Number of "optional" abortions in the USA vs. number of applications for adoption.

Maybe I'm just in the wrong town but I know a whole lot of peple who are sitting around hoping they get approved to adopt ANY baby.

MikeWaters · 01-18-2006, 05:25 PM

in my job, one of the questions is number of miscarriages or abortions. Many women respond in the affirmative.

this is in an inpatient setting (psych hospital). I would venture a guess that most of these are black and on the poorer side of the ledger.

DirtyHippieUTE · 01-18-2006, 05:28 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

in my job, one of the questions is number of miscarriages or abortions. Many women respond in the affirmative.

I'm not sure I know what you mean...

Parrot Head · 01-18-2006, 05:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

... there's been a drastic decline in teen pregnancy.... This can only be due to education.

That's quite a bold statement. Of course, homeruns were up drastically since the early 90s and that can only be due to improved hitting fundamentals.

Archaea · 01-18-2006, 06:38 PM

There is no answer which the public is willing to accept.

Our number one problem is, abstinence before marriage is the only true cure, but it won't happen.

So we try for bandages such as free condoms and birth control. Obviously, education should help, but most of the problems appear to be hormonal and cultural.

In some subcultures, it's okay and slightly encouraged to have a child early and out of wedlock. Education will find it hard to change those tendencies.

And sometimes, a horny person just doesn't want to take precautions. Even when that issue was a concern as a married person, it sure was a pain to use a glove.

Once the genie is out of the bottle, it won't get back in.

The main problem is: people want recreational sex at all ages without consequences. Sex was never designed that way. We will always be disappointed about either unwed preganancies or excessive abortions. It won't change much. Just as there is an ebb and flow to hitting home runs, there will be to pregnancies reduced or increased depending upon the tides.

The ideal is the only solution but it will never be invoked again by significant portions of contemporary society. These social ills are here to stay and plague forever.

01-18-2006, 04:39 PM	#1
non sequitur Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 1,964	Since I'm banned on CB I couldn't respond to this post. . . http://www.cougarboard.com/noframes/...tml?id=1705327 "74 abortions for every 100 births in NYC in 2004 Here's the NY Daily News article: http://www.nydailynews.com/front/story/38 2990p-325078c.html" What I find ironic is that many of the people who find this statistic so horrific are the same ones that oppose birth control being discussed in schools and birth control being made available to teens without parental consent. Do these people have a realistic solution to deal with unwanted pregnancies? __________________ ...You've been under attack for days, there's a soldier down, he's wounded, gangrene's setting in, 'Who's used all the penicillin?' 'Oh, Mark Paxson sir, he's got knob rot off of some tart.'" - Gareth Keenan

01-18-2006, 04:47 PM	#2
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	Putting the child up for adoption is a realistic solution. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

01-18-2006, 06:38 PM	#10
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	There is no answer which the public is willing to accept. Our number one problem is, abstinence before marriage is the only true cure, but it won't happen. So we try for bandages such as free condoms and birth control. Obviously, education should help, but most of the problems appear to be hormonal and cultural. In some subcultures, it's okay and slightly encouraged to have a child early and out of wedlock. Education will find it hard to change those tendencies. And sometimes, a horny person just doesn't want to take precautions. Even when that issue was a concern as a married person, it sure was a pain to use a glove. Once the genie is out of the bottle, it won't get back in. The main problem is: people want recreational sex at all ages without consequences. Sex was never designed that way. We will always be disappointed about either unwed preganancies or excessive abortions. It won't change much. Just as there is an ebb and flow to hitting home runs, there will be to pregnancies reduced or increased depending upon the tides. The ideal is the only solution but it will never be invoked again by significant portions of contemporary society. These social ills are here to stay and plague forever. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

01-18-2006, 05:14 PM	#4
DirtyHippieUTE Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Moscow, ID Posts: 1,151	His numbers are a bit screwy... The title line implies that 74% of the pregnant women in NYC are having abortions. Reading on, it's more like 40%. Still... Those are extremely high numbers. I'm not one for making abortion 100% illegal. I think there are circumstances where an abortion may be an acceptable solution. However, numbers like these support the idea that people in America give little or no thought to the consequences of unprotected sex. I would be very curious to see what the NY policy on birth control education is. Assuming NYC schools are as "liberal" (nobody get their hackes up) as the State's abortion laws imply, you would assume that kids in school are receiving education about birth control in school. Apparently it's not working. Then again... What is the median age of these women? How many of these women who had abortions are in school? These numbers are hard to look at without a whole lot of other information (e.g. % of women who were pregnant due to rape).

01-18-2006, 05:25 PM	#7
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	in my job, one of the questions is number of miscarriages or abortions. Many women respond in the affirmative. this is in an inpatient setting (psych hospital). I would venture a guess that most of these are black and on the poorer side of the ledger.