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Old 09-22-2016, 02:01 PM   #31
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Except we have years of data to indicate that Hill is one of the worst passers in modern BYU history.

"It doesn't get better."
We don't have the advanced data that isolates QB performance from how much time the OL gives it, or whether receivers create separation. At least you and I don't.
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Different quarterbacks handle pressure from the defense in different ways. I tend to reject the premise that Hill is automatically better than Tanner at handling pressure from the defense because Tanner is a lot better at running through the progressions and quickly making a decision, where even though Hill is a better runner, he holds the ball too long or just takes off running.
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Once Hill makes his first read, and decides to move, he can't pass.

Detmer was great at creating time in and around the pocket, then hitting open players.

Hill never does this. He puts his head down and runs.

Tanner is much better at seeing the field.

Hill is like a point guard who doesn't see the floor well. He's the anti-John Stockton.
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Once Hill makes his first read, and decides to move, he can't pass.

Detmer was great at creating time in and around the pocket, then hitting open players.

Hill never does this. He puts his head down and runs.

Tanner is much better at seeing the field.

Hill is like a point guard who doesn't see the floor well. He's the anti-John Stockton.
Agreed. He has enough time to do something. He just doesn't know how.

I don't think the receivers getting enough separation is as big of an issue as it seems when Hill is playing. I would love for our WRs to get more, but a more accurate passer can still be more effective than what we're seeing right now. Last year lots of times the only "separation" the receivers was the 3-6 inch height difference over the DB. Tanner is just a lot better than Hill is at putting the ball in the spot where the receiver can use that advantage. Most of the time Hill won't even try to put the ball there.
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Old 09-22-2016, 04:01 PM   #35
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Agreed. He has enough time to do something. He just doesn't know how.

I don't think the receivers getting enough separation is as big of an issue as it seems when Hill is playing. I would love for our WRs to get more, but a more accurate passer can still be more effective than what we're seeing right now. Last year lots of times the only "separation" the receivers was the 3-6 inch height difference over the DB. Tanner is just a lot better than Hill is at putting the ball in the spot where the receiver can use that advantage. Most of the time Hill won't even try to put the ball there.
I believe Hill is not very good at making reads, and after all this time, he has had his time to prove he can be a good quarterback. At his age, he is not an unpolished gem.

The receivers aren't great at making plays, but Hill isn't putting the ball where they can make plays. Once they start believing in the QB, they will make plays, get separation and show improvement.

Tanner is the guy of the future in any event, and Hill has a very short half life. Come on Ty show some loyalty to the program, not just Hill.
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How Time in Pocket is calculated and how it translates into yards advanced:

http://chance.amstat.org/2011/11/the-blindside-project/
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Fans have lost faith in the team and in Ty. Three games, with two lamentable losses, and Ty's now a goat.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...ml?id=16560632

I have no faith in the team as long as Hill is QB. I predict WVU will win convincingly, causing Ty to finally dump Hill.
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Fans have lost faith in the team and in Ty. Three games, with two lamentable losses, and Ty's now a goat.

http://www.cougarboard.com/board/mes...ml?id=16560632

I have no faith in the team as long as Hill is QB. I predict WVU will win convincingly, causing Ty to finally dump Hill.
They're going to switch to the hurry-up as Taysom is 3/3 on this.

Reminds me of my childhood days when the Bills found that using the no-huddle at the end of playoff games became so successful they decided to use it all the time.
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They're going to switch to the hurry-up as Taysom is 3/3 on this.

Reminds me of my childhood days when the Bills found that using the no-huddle at the end of playoff games became so successful they decided to use it all the time.
I saw they were considering this, but I haven't seen, nor would I expect to see, a comment that they had changed. It is odd though. Ty had all spring, all fall and three games to see Taysom isn't a pro-set QB, yet has persisted to this date.
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I saw they were considering this, but I haven't seen, nor would I expect to see, a comment that they had changed. It is odd though. Ty had all spring, all fall and three games to see Taysom isn't a pro-set QB, yet has persisted to this date.
What we've seen is a mushy compromise between what Ty is comfy with (pro-style) and what Taysom is comfy with (read option). I was delighted at the degree to which the shotgun was used (empirically, it gains more yards). Notice they were never in "pro set" (two backs side-by-side). Only I-form in short-yardage situations.

Ty is no ideologue.
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