the 40 million uninsured is the Health care boogey man

[Mormon Red Death]

Now when I say uninsured I mean people who have no more avenues for insurance.

1. First of all any child 17 and under qualifies for either medicaid or CHIP

2. Most of the uninsured women qualify for Medicaid -

a. If they are pregnant
b. If they are within 4 times the federal poverty level

That takes away at least 1/2 of the uninsured right there.

3. Finding insurance for those who thought they didnt have it... (Cobra, Crime victims, military, Auto, Home etc)

4. Families that have ability to pay but have chosen not to have insurance

This leaves about 10 million truly uninsured in this country. These can easily be covered by Charity as many of the faith based health systems missions are to care for the poor.

Basically, we don't need universal health care insurance. What we need is to help those that actually qualify for an insurance we already have run through the red tape

[MikeWaters]

"easily covered by charity."

link?

What charity or charities can cover the healthcare for 10 million people?

The reason medicaid and CHIP exist: DEMOCRATS.

The problem is very real for the self-employed working poor. It's hard for families to pay $1000 a month to self-insure.

I've seen it happen many times. You make too much to qualify for this govt. program.

Also, your insurance is so crappy no hospital will take you, but because you have insurance you don't qualify for any govt. programs.

In Dallas I pay taxes that go toward the county health system which includes Parkland Hospital, one of the more famous public hospitals in the country. It is socialism in a sense, but what is the alternative?

[Solon]

Also, the poorest people often have the worst health. Regressively, those who need medical coverage the most don't have it, while well-to-do, educated, healthy people can have too much (should I insure with my employer or my spouse's?).

In the richest country in the history of the world, the fact that we have people that go hungry and don't have adequate minimal medical care astounds me. I'm not a big fan of socialized medicine, but we need a better option for universal minimal coverage.

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

"easily covered by charity."

link?

What charity or charities can cover the healthcare for 10 million people?

The reason medicaid and CHIP exist: DEMOCRATS.

The problem is very real for the self-employed working poor. It's hard for families to pay $1000 a month to self-insure.

I've seen it happen many times. You make too much to qualify for this govt. program.

Also, your insurance is so crappy no hospital will take you, but because you have insurance you don't qualify for any govt. programs.

In Dallas I pay taxes that go toward the county health system which includes Parkland Hospital, one of the more famous public hospitals in the country. It is socialism in a sense, but what is the alternative?

10 million of uninsured spread out over the whole country is not that tough lets say that each take 2000 in healthcare coverage average per year that comes to 20 billion divide that by how many hospitals there are in the US and it comes to probably a couple of million per hospital.


My point is that the health care system does a terrible job at finding insurance for those who actually have it. For example, Joe Blow comes home from Iraq. Starts working without health insurance and then get sick 6 months later. He is still covered under the military.

Jane and Bob smith don't have insurance and are injured in an automobile accident. Do they know that their Auto Insurance covers them?

If we need to do anything we need to lessen the paperwork and red tape it takes for the "working poor" to get the programs that are already in place. As silly as it may seem there are many (I didnt say all) who simply wont take the time to fill out the medicaid application when they would be covered

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by Solon

Also, the poorest people often have the worst health. Regressively, those who need medical coverage the most don't have it, while well-to-do, educated, healthy people can have too much (should I insure with my employer or my spouse's?).

In the richest country in the history of the world, the fact that we have people that go hungry and don't have adequate minimal medical care astounds me. I'm not a big fan of socialized medicine, but we need a better option for universal minimal coverage.

the issue is that there is already things in place... we just need to make it easier for these people to take advantage of the programs

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

What charity or charities can cover the healthcare for 10 million people?

?

You typical Faith based ministry or community hospital spends million in charity care each year.

[MikeWaters]

$2000 per person seems way too low for me.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

"easily covered by charity."

link?

Still waiting for yours, by the way.

http://cougarguard.com/forum/showpos...1&postcount=10

[Mormon Red Death]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

$2000 per person seems way too low for me.

even if it 5k a person that divided is still not a lot. The US spends 5,711 per capita

http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

even if it 5k a person that divided is still not a lot. The US spends 5,711 per capita

http://www.kff.org/insurance/snapshot/chcm010307oth.cfm

50 billion dollars is not a lot?

Someone is going to have to pay for that.

And do you know who?

Me and you. In the form of higher insurance premiums as hospitals negotiate higher rates.

How much of that 50 billion is going to be absorbed by doctors in the form of reduced salary for unpaid work?