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ChinoCoug · 11-26-2007, 08:23 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

1996: lots of recent HC embarassments including a gang bang, winning program, BOT thrilled

2004: lots of recent HC embarassments including a gang bang, losing program, BOT pissed

internet not widespread in 1996. Media people don't know what Jenkins did. what gang bang? omitted variable bias.

ChinoCoug · 11-26-2007, 08:25 PM

agree

jay santos · 11-26-2007, 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

internet not widespread in 1996. Media people don't know what Jenkins did. what gang bang? omitted variable bias.

It wasn't Jenkins. It was before Jenkins. All the media knew what happened. It was in the papers. Very similar to the gang bangs of this decade. Nobody threatened the program.

Indy Coug · 11-26-2007, 08:38 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

It wasn't Jenkins. It was before Jenkins. All the media knew what happened. It was in the papers. Very similar to the gang bangs of this decade. Nobody threatened the program.

It didn't make ESPN's radar. It was a local story. It was also probably viewed by the BofT as an isolated incident.

BYU71 · 11-26-2007, 08:39 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

True or false. I heard this from a fan.

He says in the past violations caused severe embarrassment, etc. Now it has become a strength of the team.

I had to bite my tongue and not mention all the recent HC violations that resulted in law enforcement involvement.

It's amazing what you can sell and buy these days.

As my pal napper and I have said for quite a while now, the man is a sure genius. He has the win, win, win crowd eating out of his hands. He has the, we build character here and hope to win along the way crowd eating out of the palm of his hands.

All I care is that he knows the character crowd won't save him if he loses games.

ChinoCoug · 11-26-2007, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

It wasn't Jenkins. It was before Jenkins. All the media knew what happened. It was in the papers. Very similar to the gang bangs of this decade. Nobody threatened the program.

that I was a fan in California and I didn't hear about speaks to how trivial the matter appeared to be.

jay santos · 11-26-2007, 08:50 PM

With or without the Honor Code, BYU will always be BYU. It will always be the church's school. Most sober college in the nation. Mormon do gooders in the bubble of Utah County. Mormon young adult mecca.

Without the Honor Code, we'll still have a squeaky clean program and be talked about in the national media as such.

Without the Honor Code, we might increase the level of non-LDS we can recruit. Instead of going up against San Jose State and New Mexico. We maybe could rival Arizona and Colorado or at least Utah and Boise State. (Non-LDS I'm talking)

Without the Honor Code, I highly doubt we would lose any decent recruit we're getting now.

Without the Honor Code, I guess it's possible in a real paranoid universe that the BOT would kill BYU athletic department. I really doubt it, though.

jay santos · 11-26-2007, 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

that I was a fan in California and I didn't hear about speaks to how trivial the matter appeared to be.

You must not have been a fan or not paying attention. It was big time news. We lost I think six players from it. I remember the announcers at the bowl game discussing it, as we had guys in the secondary playing that were not even on the two deep.

Indy Coug · 11-26-2007, 08:58 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Without the Honor Code, we'll still have a squeaky clean program and be talked about in the national media as such.

How in the world can you assert that?

jay santos · 11-26-2007, 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

How in the world can you assert that?

Would the removal of the Honor Code at BYU change BYU from being the most sober school in the nation? Would BYU all of a sudden turn into a pot smoking hippie school?

Why would the removal of the Honor Code change BYU's football program that dramatically? We'd probably start going after more non-LDS and we might be more successful with that recruiting since they wouldn't have to stress about the possibility of getting booted for a minor mistake.

I don't see how that would change our rating on the morality index (real or perceived) that significantly. We'll still have a ton of RM's and married players and all that.

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11-26-2007, 08:50 PM	#17
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	With or without the Honor Code, BYU will always be BYU. It will always be the church's school. Most sober college in the nation. Mormon do gooders in the bubble of Utah County. Mormon young adult mecca. Without the Honor Code, we'll still have a squeaky clean program and be talked about in the national media as such. Without the Honor Code, we might increase the level of non-LDS we can recruit. Instead of going up against San Jose State and New Mexico. We maybe could rival Arizona and Colorado or at least Utah and Boise State. (Non-LDS I'm talking) Without the Honor Code, I highly doubt we would lose any decent recruit we're getting now. Without the Honor Code, I guess it's possible in a real paranoid universe that the BOT would kill BYU athletic department. I really doubt it, though.