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Old 04-29-2009, 04:26 PM   #31
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And the Republicans have taken a 3-point lead in the generic Congressional poll.

The party now is not so different from what it was in 2004, except it now has no public face (normal, when a party just lost the White House with no clear successor). Conservatives didn't kick Specter out of the party. He left it, a long time ago actually.
If you want to hang your hat on the generic congressional poll, feel free. Just keep repeating to yourself "everything is fine with the Republican Party, there is no cause for alarm."

You are right that the party isn't "so different" than the party in 2004. The only real difference is that the 2004 party pretended to care about moderates (for electoral purposes), whereas this party doesn't pretend to care at all. Frankly, I like this version much more. It ensures they won't take back any control anytime in the near future.
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Old 04-29-2009, 04:41 PM   #32
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But they are against the other things I mentioned?
Who knows. Depends on who you talk to. I thought we were talking about the Republicans. But none of the things on your list are the first things Libertarians would go after. But no worries, there are no libertarians in the GOP anymore. They've been pretty much cleansed in this purification movement.
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Old 04-29-2009, 04:53 PM   #33
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If you want to hang your hat on the generic congressional poll, feel free. Just keep repeating to yourself "everything is fine with the Republican Party, there is no cause for alarm."
I didn't say that either. I simply don't think your cataclysmic view represents reality.

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You are right that the party isn't "so different" than the party in 2004. The only real difference is that the 2004 party pretended to care about moderates (for electoral purposes), whereas this party doesn't pretend to care at all. Frankly, I like this version much more. It ensures they won't take back any control anytime in the near future.
Except that it's leading 2008 presidential candidate for a time (Guiliani) and its eventual candidate were both moderates.

I'm not too worried about the change in power ... the pendulum always swings, and the Democrats are thankfully a self-correcting group. They dig their own grave about as fast as Republicans do.
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Old 04-30-2009, 01:44 PM   #34
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Democrats road a tidal wave in to power by not being George Bush. Their public face is a gifted speaker. They are getting a pass from most media not named Fox (who is not trusted as being fair and balanced).

The message of the election was change, change, change. Now we are getting change. It may have been a good idea to really think about the changes that were going to happen.

It is certainly a change to leave the frying pan for the warmth of the fire.
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Democrats road a tidal wave in to power by not being George Bush. Their public face is a gifted speaker.
Well, he's gifted as long as he has a teleprompter.

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Old 04-30-2009, 03:32 PM   #36
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I didn't say that either. I simply don't think your cataclysmic view represents reality.



Except that it's leading 2008 presidential candidate for a time (Guiliani) and its eventual candidate were both moderates.

I'm not too worried about the change in power ... the pendulum always swings, and the Democrats are thankfully a self-correcting group. They dig their own grave about as fast as Republicans do.
Once again, Glenn, McCain is precisely the reason the party is sick and tired of the moderates right now. There are many on the right who still believe that if a Huckabee/Romney were the nominee, they would have won, but the party "abandoned" its principles by going with a McCain (and by considering a Giuliani). They are fixing that "problem" by alienating everyone who has a hint of moderate in them. That's what happens when you put Rush in charge.
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Once again, Glenn, McCain is precisely the reason the party is sick and tired of the moderates right now. There are many on the right who still believe that if a Huckabee/Romney were the nominee, they would have won, but the party "abandoned" its principles by going with a McCain (and by considering a Giuliani). They are fixing that "problem" by alienating everyone who has a hint of moderate in them. That's what happens when you put Rush in charge.
What happens when Rush is "in charge" is 1994 and 2002. Here's hoping the party finally returns to Reagan conservatism.
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Well, he's gifted as long as he has a teleprompter.
To each is given a gift. Some have the gift of writing speeches, others have the gift of reading them.
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Dang, Team Bush screwed things up worse than anybody else had imagined! Unemployment's been worse than even the Obama team predicted!
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