"Worthiness"...

[jay santos]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

I don't think Mormons will get very far on this issue until they stop seeing it as an issue of "emphasis" and start seeing it as an issue of how grace (or merit or "worthiness") systematically fits into a larger coherent theological worldview.

This is real dialogue that might lead to something interesting. Intentionally misrepresenting and manipulating by barraging us with selected quotes from thousands and thousands of pages of past LDS sermons is lame.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

Archaea, would you like to take a stab at explaining how the following quote could possibly ever be theologically justified by any sort of context?



If you can't, just keep insulating.

I don't have the JD here to read the context, dildo.

Under your interpretation, it shouldn't matter because all I must do is believe and I'm saved, no matter whom I hump because what I do doesn't matter. So if what I do doesn't matter, leave me alone. Evangelicals are asses as they crap on the floor of another man. No wonder the world loathes them and they drive people away from Christ. You deconvert more people from Christ than Hitler. Sieg Heil!

[BYU71]

Meanwhile the Shiites and the Suni's are still going at it too.

[jay santos]

AShaf: if you want to have real dialogue, tell us where you stand that is materially different from the following.

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.js...____&hideNav=1

http://www.lds.org/ldsorg/v/index.js...____&hideNav=1

http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/b.../grace_eom.htm

[K-dog]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

Archaea, would you like to take a stab at explaining how the following quote could possibly ever be theologically justified by any sort of context?



If you can't, just keep insulating.

It seems to be talking about people getting what they deserve, if they don't apply the atonement or if the atonement is added in...we all do, don't we?

What I don't get is the purpose of your quote string. Why don't you state your purpose and then I'll decide how much time and attention to give you.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by aaronshaf

Archaea, would you like to take a stab at explaining how the following quote could possibly ever be theologically justified by any sort of context?



If you can't, just keep insulating.

Insulation? And all this time I thought you were an attorney.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by woot

There's not a single thing in there that you would disagree with if you were honest with yourself. Believing that God values belief is no different in principle than believing that God values works. In both cases, you have to comply with God's priorities in order to be saved.

As I said before, it makes sense to believe in a religion that absolves you from all but the tiniest responsibility, but trying to denigrate the beliefs of those who assume that God would want a little bit more from his people seems terribly counterproductive. If all God requires is belief, then both religions are fine, since neither religion has much of a clue on the specifics and nitpicking is pointless and petty. If God requires anything more than that, you're effed.

Your belief that Mormons worship "the wrong Jesus" is not only hypocritical since you know so very little about Jesus and everything else, but also flat-out wrong, since the Mormon interpretation is no less likely to be accurate than anyone else's.

You gotta love aashaf. He even causes our apostate friends to circle the wagons and defend the faith.

[non sequitur]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

You gotta love aashaf. He even causes our apostate friends to circle the wagons and defend the faith.

It's because aashaf is a zealot. Religion is generally pretty harmless, unless you're dealing with guys like aashaf. The dude is a jihadist for Christ.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by non sequitur

It's because aashaf is a zealot. Religion is generally pretty harmless, unless you're dealing with guys like aashaf. The dude is a jihadist for Christ.

That reminds me off the time I went into a guys office in here because I wanted the perspective of a guy who really dislikes mormons. When I said I wanted that perspective, he said who said I really dislike mormons.

I told him I figured he did because of some of the things he said. He said no, I really dislike zealot mormons. I also dislike zealots of any religion.

[aaronshaf]

"[E]very man and woman will receive all that they are worthy of, and something thrown in perhaps on the score of the boundless charity of God. But who can justly expect to obtain more than they merit?" - Joseph F. Smith, Journal of Discourses, 26 vols., 20:, p.30

I don't have the JD here to read the context...

Under your interpretation, it shouldn't matter because all I must do is believe and I'm saved, no matter whom I hump because what I do doesn't matter.

Here is the context:

http://scripturesbeta.byu.edu/jod/jo...vol=20&disc=04

Achaea, it sounds like you haven't taken the time to understand basic mainstream evangelical doctrine on grace and salvation. I'd encourage you to read a summary starting here:

http://www.theopedia.com/Salvation#Man.27s_condition