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Archaea · 06-11-2008, 03:30 PM

I've searched my memory, and can't think of one during the 21st and 20th centuries.

Obama, radical left.

Kerry. same.

Gore. same.

Clinton. same but drifted toward the middle with Republican Congress.

Dukakis, Carter, more of the same.

McGovern and Humprheys.

LBJ, I can't remember his economics, and only remember how corrupt he was.

Kennedy.

Stevenson? What were his economic policies.

FDR, and those before, I'd have to simply read about.

So hope for a moderate, unifying voice from the Democratic Party is a chimera. It is not happened during this past century, so nobody should expect anything else. The closest we've come to unifying voices were Eisenhower and Reagan, both popular Republicans.

Historians will have you believe FDR, but how much of his popularity was tied to WWII?

Teddy Roosevelt was popular at the beginning of the 20th, so for whatever reason, Dems do better at local level promising pork but as statesmen, historically they are divisive and petty. We'll see how that bodes should as predictions indicates, win. We're in for four more years of hell, boys and girls.

MikeWaters · 06-11-2008, 03:31 PM

Clinton was the most fiscally conservative president in memory. He actually ran a surplus.

Bush is probably the least fiscally cnoservative president in memory. And he's a Republican.

il Padrino Ute · 06-11-2008, 07:25 PM

FDR is the father of today's income tax.

I'd say that he's not fiscally conservative.

Archaea · 06-11-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Clinton was the most fiscally conservative president in memory. He actually ran a surplus.

Bush is probably the least fiscally cnoservative president in memory. And he's a Republican.

He was not fiscally conservative.

He increased taxes, lived off the tech bubble that burst during Bush's years. Fiscally conservative in government terms means both sides of the equation, lowering taxes and spending less than your bring in. By virtue of unique circumstances and a Republican Congress Clinton benefited from unusually economic circumstances. He was not fiscally conservative as I define it.

Bush is a f...ing Democrat, and we Republicans should amend history books to reflect that. He spends too much f...ing money.

venomous viper · 06-12-2008, 01:07 AM

JFK was probably the most fiscally responsible of the past 50 years.

Archaea · 06-12-2008, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by venomous viper

JFK was probably the most fiscally responsible of the past 50 years.

No he wasn't.

What were the top marginal income tax rates under his administration? And what did he do to modify them:?

SoCalCoug · 06-12-2008, 01:20 AM

Who was the last moderate Republican?

venomous viper · 06-12-2008, 03:57 AM

If you really understood ALL his policies, you'd find he was leaning conservative, especially in comparison with all the dems today. I lived through his presidency and marginal tax rates were just one item. The dems today want to tax and spend at a much greater rate than JFK ever did. I'm not a dem, but I'd vote for him today over either option. This year won't make much diff no matter who wins, imo.

RockyBalboa · 06-12-2008, 04:06 AM

I give up. Is this a trick question?

Tex · 06-12-2008, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by SoCalCoug

Who was the last moderate Republican?

George H. W. Bush.

06-11-2008, 03:30 PM	#1
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Have the Democrats ever run a moderate, fiscally conservative candidate for President I've searched my memory, and can't think of one during the 21st and 20th centuries. Obama, radical left. Kerry. same. Gore. same. Clinton. same but drifted toward the middle with Republican Congress. Dukakis, Carter, more of the same. McGovern and Humprheys. LBJ, I can't remember his economics, and only remember how corrupt he was. Kennedy. Stevenson? What were his economic policies. FDR, and those before, I'd have to simply read about. So hope for a moderate, unifying voice from the Democratic Party is a chimera. It is not happened during this past century, so nobody should expect anything else. The closest we've come to unifying voices were Eisenhower and Reagan, both popular Republicans. Historians will have you believe FDR, but how much of his popularity was tied to WWII? Teddy Roosevelt was popular at the beginning of the 20th, so for whatever reason, Dems do better at local level promising pork but as statesmen, historically they are divisive and petty. We'll see how that bodes should as predictions indicates, win. We're in for four more years of hell, boys and girls. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

06-11-2008, 07:25 PM	#3
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	FDR is the father of today's income tax. I'd say that he's not fiscally conservative. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

06-12-2008, 01:20 AM	#7
SoCalCoug Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Orange County, California Posts: 3,059	Who was the last moderate Republican? __________________ Get your stinking paws off me, you damned, dirty Yewt! "Now perhaps as I spanked myself screaming out "Kozlowski, say it like you mean it bitch!" might have been out of line, but such was the mood." - Goatnapper "If you want to fatten a pig up to make the pig MORE delicious, you can feed it almost anything. Seriously. The pig is like the car on Back to the Future. You put in garbage, and out comes something magical!" - Cali Coug

06-12-2008, 04:06 AM	#9
RockyBalboa Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 7,297	I give up. Is this a trick question? __________________ Masquerading as Cougarguards very own genius dumbass since 05'.

06-11-2008, 03:31 PM	#2
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Clinton was the most fiscally conservative president in memory. He actually ran a surplus. Bush is probably the least fiscally cnoservative president in memory. And he's a Republican.

06-12-2008, 01:07 AM	#5
venomous viper Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cancun, AZ, TX and CA. Posts: 191	JFK was probably the most fiscally responsible of the past 50 years.

06-12-2008, 03:57 AM	#8
venomous viper Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cancun, AZ, TX and CA. Posts: 191	If you really understood ALL his policies, you'd find he was leaning conservative, especially in comparison with all the dems today. I lived through his presidency and marginal tax rates were just one item. The dems today want to tax and spend at a much greater rate than JFK ever did. I'm not a dem, but I'd vote for him today over either option. This year won't make much diff no matter who wins, imo.