The Church on the Wrong Side of History Again

[Gidget]

Originally Posted by Tex

I suspect we all have moments like this, whether with Prop 8 or with something else. In my opinion, what you're experiencing is quite normal.

One thing I'd like to get clarification on: "lack of even a small mention of many other national/international political atrocities." I'm not sure you meant by this vague statement, but as I'm sure you know, the church is extensively involved in relief efforts all over the globe. You ought to give them a little credit.

I should have made my statement more specific. My bad. I do think the Church's relief efforts worldwide should not go without praise. I meant more like their lack of commentary on other political issues that confront us on moral grounds as well as political.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by Gidget

I should have made my statement more specific. My bad. I do think the Church's relief efforts worldwide should not go without praise. I meant more like their lack of commentary on other political issues that confront us on moral grounds as well as political.

Bear in mind that, but for a less than 3k travel reimbursement, "the Church" has not donated to the prop 8 campaign. Instead, it has all been individual donors. OTOH, "The Church" has donated much to many relief efforts.

I think there is a lot of commentary all the time on other issues, there is just rarely such a specific request to devote resources to support an issue.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Gidget

I should have made my statement more specific. My bad. I do think the Church's relief efforts worldwide should not go without praise. I meant more like their lack of commentary on other political issues that confront us on moral grounds as well as political.

I hope we focus less on issues of "public" morality and refocus upon issues of personal morality.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by Solon

I think this is him - http://www.josephvogel.net/id2.html

Can you really get a BS in English (not a BA)?

Aha. Now I remember.

[YOhio]

Originally Posted by Jeff Lebowski

Wow. That's quite an article.

Who is this Vogel guy? The name sounds familiar.

He directed The Divided State.

[Flystripper]

wow. Incoming!! Salt Lake is gonna turn their guns on this guy real quick.

He is right though.

[Sleeping in EQ]

I wonder if he's related to Dan Vogel.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Jim Swarthout

I believe SU started a thread not long ago about the Church consistently being on the wrong side of history. Joe Vogel, and LDS writer for the Huffington Post, has an excellent piece on the same theme:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/joe-vo..._b_138037.html

What's the over/under for "number of days left in this kid's BYU career"?

(according to his website, he's currently a graduate student)

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Solon

What's the over/under for "number of days left in this kid's BYU career"?

(according to his website, he's currently a graduate student)

Has the LDS church really donated $19 million to fight prop. 8? Or is this money LDS members have contributed?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Solon

Has the LDS church really donated $19 million to fight prop. 8? Or is this money LDS members have contributed?

I'm guessing it must be the latter, since in all the news reports I've seen on Prop 8 fundraising, I've never seen the LDS church at the top of any list.