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MikeWaters · 09-21-2007, 02:40 PM

About the book "Mormon Doctrine".

http://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Doctrin.../dp/0884940624

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"There are too many topics in it (hundreds) for me to comment upon here, so I will limit my remarks to just one, as indicative of the mentality of the author, and why his fellow apostles cringed so much at its contents. Under the alphabetically listed heading, "Psychiatry," the author's "doctrinal" comment begins, "See, Church of the Devil," another of book's topics. If you, as a reader, believe that psychiatry is best approached and understood in conceptual terms of "church of the devil," then you might be one of the many people who are happy with Mormon Doctrine as a book. If you think, however, that to perceive psychiatry as part of "the devil's church" is surprisingly ignorant and childish thinking, then you very likely will have as many reservations about this book as did the author's fellow apostles who were first offended by its appearance in print.

For your information, today is December 14, 2005, and it was just yesterday that I was stunned anew to see, in the current edition of Mormon Doctrine in a Border's bookstore, that this book still contains McKonkie's "See, Church of the Devil" reference. How the LDS Church tolerates this neanderthalish comment to remain in print is puzzling. Why McKonkie's heirs don't edit out this sort of absurdity is at least equally as puzzling."

nikuman · 09-21-2007, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

About the book "Mormon Doctrine".

http://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Doctrin.../dp/0884940624

Mormon Doctrine is perhaps the biggest misnomer of any book I've ever seen. "Opinions of BRM" might have been better.

Indy Coug · 09-21-2007, 02:50 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

About the book "Mormon Doctrine".

http://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Doctrin.../dp/0884940624

Does the LDS church control the rights to this book?

Archaea · 09-21-2007, 02:52 PM

That is abominable. I'm glad I no longer have a copy.

How did people of such troglodytic tendencies ever rise to power.

MikeWaters · 09-21-2007, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Does the LDS church control the rights to this book?

I'm glad the church gives some latitude to its apostles to publish things that are way out there. Unfortunately it seems that it only happens in the mullah-direction and not the progressive-direction.

MikeWaters · 09-21-2007, 02:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

That is abominable. I'm glad I no longer have a copy.

How did people of such troglodytic tendencies ever rise to power.

I'm betting McConkie saw psychiatry as more of a philosophical movement, rather than a response to fighting mental illness. Certainly the psychiatry of 2007 is much different than the psychiatry of 1940.

Therefore McConkie might cast aspersions on an entire field as a reaction.

creekster · 09-21-2007, 03:03 PM

I have the 1966 edition, the 1979 printing. The reference to the church of the devil is there. The entry for psychiatry discusses that psychiatry is a field that seeks to treat mental illness and, if used unwisely, can lead sinners to avoid repentance. He specifically mentions that 'unwise' practitioners may counsel a patient that the church's teachings are untrue, which then leads to the same analysis as part of the entry for the church of the devil.

SoonerCoug · 09-21-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by creekster

I have the 1966 edition, the 1979 printing. The reference to the church of the devil is there. The entry for psychiatry discusses that psychiatry is a field that seeks to treat mental illness and, if used unwisely, can lead sinners to avoid repentance. He specifically mentions that 'unwise' practitioners may counsel a patient that the church's teachings are untrue, which then leads to the same analysis as part of the entry for the church of the devil.

A member of our Stake Presidency taught our ward that depression only exists in people who have lost the spirit. I stood up and walked out when he said that.

Archaea · 09-21-2007, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm betting McConkie saw psychiatry as more of a philosophical movement, rather than a response to fighting mental illness. Certainly the psychiatry of 2007 is much different than the psychiatry of 1940.

Therefore McConkie might cast aspersions on an entire field as a reaction.

The more one examines McConkie the more one wonders how anybody bought into his BS.

Sleeping in EQ · 09-21-2007, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by SoonerCoug

A member of our Stake Presidency taught our ward that depression only exists in people who have lost the spirit. I stood up and walked out when he said that.

Anyone want to take odds on this one being true?

I sure hope it isn't.

09-21-2007, 02:52 PM	#4
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	That is abominable. I'm glad I no longer have a copy. How did people of such troglodytic tendencies ever rise to power. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

09-21-2007, 03:03 PM	#7
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	I have the 1966 edition, the 1979 printing. The reference to the church of the devil is there. The entry for psychiatry discusses that psychiatry is a field that seeks to treat mental illness and, if used unwisely, can lead sinners to avoid repentance. He specifically mentions that 'unwise' practitioners may counsel a patient that the church's teachings are untrue, which then leads to the same analysis as part of the entry for the church of the devil. __________________ Sorry for th e tpyos.