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Before baptism? | 1 | 2.17% | |
Before puberty or 14? | 8 | 17.39% | |
Before 20? | 7 | 15.22% | |
After 20 or after mission? | 23 | 50.00% | |
After 30? | 7 | 15.22% | |
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04-30-2007, 04:42 PM | #11 | |
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I still scratch my head on those. That's why I believe some permission may have been given to institute polygamy and Joseph was left to figure it out for himself. He may have gone too far, who knows. It's an oddity. Oliver Cowdery is rumored to have been pissed when he didn't get the same permission. Again, I don't worship Joseph Smith, but admire his courage in trying times and the fact that he overcame difficult circumstances. But he was human, with frailties and strengths. People with great strengths often have very strong frailties.
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04-30-2007, 04:46 PM | #12 |
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Wasn't Joseph's example the basis for the weekend Vegas marriage / sexapalooza / annulment, the logic being hey so long as you are married, it is not adultery?
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04-30-2007, 04:48 PM | #13 |
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No I think it's okay have sex with other women so long as they are also married. Huge note of sarcasm for the humor impaired.
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04-30-2007, 04:53 PM | #15 | |
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Perhaps, he paid for it in other ways. I will not be Joseph's judge. It is simply strange and doesn't fit on a nice polished platter. And it is reality. Is it also possible that although a prophet, it was not acceptable? Why else did others not practice it to our knowledge? But that God has a different plan for Joseph in light of that? I think you limit the possibilities too much, wanting to force a round peg into a square hole. A man can be a prophet and still sin. I can accept the prophetic role and that he did things not becoming a prophet. Perhaps this is why the Church is loathe to disclose it, because there is no nice pre-packaged answer that explains it. We like our lives and presentations to be power point ready, complete without deviations. Examination of any soul's life will show anything but the Truman Show.
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That statement only goes so far. When prophets have sinned egregiously enough in the past, (David, Moses, Joseph Smith and the 116 pages) this has resulted in documented discipline from God.
I'm willing to bet that IF 1. Joseph Smith engaged in the polyandry documented by Bushman 2. It was not endorsed by God There would have been serious repercussions. |
04-30-2007, 05:03 PM | #17 | |
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I don't believe immediate consequences always follow every sin, even serious ones. God had so much invested in Joseph by that time, letting him fall may not have been allowable. Was the kingship removed from David?
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04-30-2007, 05:13 PM | #19 |
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Polygamy's obviously not a secret in the church. I was very young when I learned of it. I have ancestors that were polygamous. It was taught to me in a way that was more of something to be proud of than be ashamed of. (and yeah i ended that with a preposition--who was that did that last week? that was pretty funny. i always feel like doing the same thing)
As a college student at BYU I started getting more interested in church history and learned more. The JS involved in polygamy thing or involved in it, sexually, has always been a strange issue. I was taught by some people (maybe not necessarily taught but this was the view of others when it came up in discussions), that JS married many women but only had sex with Emma. And that was important to them, even though other church leaders obviously participated i polygamy in the full blown way including sexually. So during this time period (post mission/student) when I came across beliefs of people that JS had more than one sexual partner, it was presented to me as shocking but it didn't feel shocking--that's the whole point of polygamy, right? Then over time I became exposed to more theories some just in the last five years: that JS had possibly a non-polygamous affair that he may or may not have used polygamy as the cover up, that JS taught polyandry as well as polygamy and may have encouraged Emma to enter into this, that JS approached certain men's wives to become his wife as well, etc. My view of it now is: things were seriously messed up and that the teaching and doctrine on polygamy changed and evolved so much and has since been eliminated, that I'm comfortable with my belief that the whole thing was a series of misforunate events, and that God did not intend for any of it to happen at all. But also it doesn't take away from JS and BY being great men and great prophets and receiving other important revelations. |
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Good post, jay. There are a few weirder things that I'm certain should be posted. It does appear to have been a messed up situation that took a while to clean up.
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