The Church's financial situation

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Black Diamond Bay

Maybe instead of blaming the church you should blame the government that taxes people to the point that they become tightwads with everything leftover.
Forced charity creates resentment in the giver. Maybe people just feel like the government takes enough of their money that they should be doing something productive with it. Your decision to hold the church responsible because it asks members to pay tithes and fast offerings strikes me as rather irrational.

That's why they hold bonds. I say they have a bond vote in Utah County. See how they feel about people freezing to death and let it be written in the book of Life.

[8ballrollin]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

That's why they hold bonds. I say they have a bond vote in Utah County. See how they feel about people freezing to death and let it be written in the book of Life.

The key is to add the trolling posts near the top of the thread - not at the bottom of it.

[cougjunkie]

Adam just curious if you are so worried about humanitarian aid and helping the homeless, why are you on the board at all? Shouldnt you be out collecting coats and food for the upcoming winter? Or do you only care about the homeless when it helps your political agenda or proves a point against the church that you are on the verge of apostasizing from?

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by cougjunkie

Adam just curious if you are so worried about humanitarian aid and helping the homeless, why are you on the board at all? Shouldnt you be out collecting coats and food for the upcoming winter? Or do you only care about the homeless when it helps your political agenda or proves a point against the church that you are on the verge of apostasizing from?

Why is every person that doesn't follow lock-step "yessir" on the verge of apostasy?

There are a heckuva lot more people on the verge of apostasy as a result of indifference.

[cougjunkie]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Why is every person that doesn't follow lock-step "yessir" on the verge of apostasy?

There are a heckuva lot more people on the verge of apostasy as a result of indifference.

i have never said archaea, you, or anyone else was. I believe that if Adam actually believes half the crap he posts he is well on his way to falling away from the church. If he is just trolling then fine we all do it.

[Indy Coug]

But when you spout "The age of ... revelation is over", you deny the very essence of what was inside that dogma box.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Adam

It honestly makes me sad that you take me this way.

Somehow accusing the Church of being indirectly responsible for the death of a homeless man, and re-arranging ward building architecture to better accommodate the Primary, just doesn't fall under the same heading for me.

But I'm weird that way.

By the way, I've never accused you of apostasy.

[MikeWaters]

I'm not criticizing the church over the homeless shelter issue, though I do believe it is reasonable to criticize the church over the lack of its general community involvement (our Stake President had a speaker do exactly this as he stood on the stand--the female public relations person for the church in stake priesthood mtg). In Dallas, she asked around about the church getting involved in stuff, and it came out that we were not particularly wanted because we were 1) disorganized and 2) didn't follow through, 3) had the least involvement in community improvement.

What disappoints me is that a community that is overwhelmingly Mormon isn't doing something about homeless deaths (assuming it is true).

Why have a public hospital when people will use it? Why have a food bank, because it will just attract people who are goign hungry? Why have shelter for the homeless, if homeless will come to use the shelter?

I can't imagine Christ feeling this way, and it is obvious that the private sector (so ballyhooed by anti-govt. libertarians and conservatives) is not stepping up with charity to make this happen.

For shame, Utah County. You are even more disgusting and hypocritical than I thought.

[Solon]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I'm not criticizing the church over the homeless shelter issue, though I do believe it is reasonable to criticize the church over the lack of its general community involvement (our Stake President had a speaker do exactly this as he stood on the stand--the female public relations person for the church in stake priesthood mtg). In Dallas, she asked around about the church getting involved in stuff, and it came out that we were not particularly wanted because we were 1) disorganized and 2) didn't follow through, 3) had the least involvement in community improvement.

What disappoints me is that a community that is overwhelmingly Mormon isn't doing something about homeless deaths (assuming it is true).

Why have a public hospital when people will use it? Why have a food bank, because it will just attract people who are goign hungry? Why have shelter for the homeless, if homeless will come to use the shelter?

I can't imagine Christ feeling this way, and it is obvious that the private sector (so ballyhooed by anti-govt. libertarians and conservatives) is not stepping up with charity to make this happen.

For shame, Utah County. You are even more disgusting and hypocritical than I thought.

Very well stated.

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Solon

Very well stated.

Is it just me, or is this just the latest vehicle du jour for people to express their Utah-County-angst?