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creekster · 08-23-2005, 08:55 PM

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9050722

Archaea · 08-23-2005, 09:56 PM

as the French can't stand the fact that he won.

Is it possible that he took enhancements? Of course, that race is too demanding.

However, in light of his extensive testing, I just don't believe it. Now testing samples from 1999?

Note what Pena said,

Victor Hugo Pena, Armstrong’s former U.S. Postal Service teammate, said the French were bad losers who could never accept his supremacy on the Tour.

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“What Lance achieved nobody can take away,” Pena, who helped Armstrong to three of his seven Tour victories, told Colombia’s Caracol radio Tuesday. Pena said Armstrong was so closely watched during the Tour that it would have been impossible for him to use performance-enhancing drugs.

“Not only did the sports laboratories constantly test him, but video cameras were set up in his room and police agents constantly monitored Lance’s movements and who was visiting him and even his phone conversations,” Pena said.

I don't buy the L'Equipe story.

Va-t-en faire ... aux francais

SteelBlue · 08-23-2005, 10:28 PM

Sounds like this story might actually have legs though. I hope it's not true, but nothing would shock me anymore. I want to believe Lance and for now I will. However, this story appears to be more than the usual former employee trying to make a buck. Sounds like it hinges on L'equipe claiming they can match the number on the sample to Lance with his documents. If they truly can, it could taint the legacy (No Mike, not that taint).

Archaea · 08-23-2005, 10:33 PM

For them, all they must do is claim to be able to trace it and wow you have a story.

Newspapers on the Continent do NOT have the ethos, American and some British papers have. We complain about our papers here, but those there will print lies, known lies.

You basically can't believe anything controversial printed in Continental papers. I'm not a scholar of all libel laws, but outside of Britain and the US, foreigners basically have no rights.

So don't believe it, just because L'Equipe says it.

creekster · 08-23-2005, 10:52 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylc...ters&type=lgns

And Indurain does not talk much. He is usually pretty reserved, so this is either real indignation or he's being thick like thieves.

MikeWaters · 08-24-2005, 12:54 AM

I'd be surprised if Lance never doped. His association with the doping doctor from Italy (?) is a big red flag.

creekster · 08-24-2005, 02:00 AM

I wouldn't be surprised if Armstrong doped, but I would still be disappointed.

MikeWaters · 08-24-2005, 02:32 PM

Drudge is now headlining the Armstrong story.....

It's now going to be a mainstream news.

ute4ever · 08-24-2005, 07:48 PM

How many times did the Frenchies test Lance last month, and Lance alone? He always came out clean.

Now, a month after he retires, they claim his very first win was tainted....seven years ago?

What, that data was just sitting in a file somewhere and it took them seven years to pull it out?

I don't buy it.

I also don't buy the French's theory that the US staged 9/11.

08-23-2005, 08:55 PM	#1
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	Armstrong, J'accuse, says another French article http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9050722

08-23-2005, 09:56 PM	#2
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	Frankly, I believe Armstrong over the French as the French can't stand the fact that he won. Is it possible that he took enhancements? Of course, that race is too demanding. However, in light of his extensive testing, I just don't believe it. Now testing samples from 1999? Note what Pena said, Victor Hugo Pena, Armstrong’s former U.S. Postal Service teammate, said the French were bad losers who could never accept his supremacy on the Tour. Slide show: The Week in Sports Pictures WATER BOXING Launch • August 15 - 22 Little League glory and gory, Lefty’s loved ones, and more. “What Lance achieved nobody can take away,” Pena, who helped Armstrong to three of his seven Tour victories, told Colombia’s Caracol radio Tuesday. Pena said Armstrong was so closely watched during the Tour that it would have been impossible for him to use performance-enhancing drugs. “Not only did the sports laboratories constantly test him, but video cameras were set up in his room and police agents constantly monitored Lance’s movements and who was visiting him and even his phone conversations,” Pena said. I don't buy the L'Equipe story. Va-t-en faire ... aux francais

08-23-2005, 10:33 PM	#4
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	If the lab can't, how can L'Equipe? For them, all they must do is claim to be able to trace it and wow you have a story. Newspapers on the Continent do NOT have the ethos, American and some British papers have. We complain about our papers here, but those there will print lies, known lies. You basically can't believe anything controversial printed in Continental papers. I'm not a scholar of all libel laws, but outside of Britain and the US, foreigners basically have no rights. So don't believe it, just because L'Equipe says it.

08-23-2005, 10:52 PM	#5
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	Check out what Indurain says http://sports.yahoo.com/sc/news;_ylc...ters&type=lgns And Indurain does not talk much. He is usually pretty reserved, so this is either real indignation or he's being thick like thieves.

08-24-2005, 02:00 AM	#7
creekster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: the far corner of my mind Posts: 8,711	I know we have hashed this out before. I wouldn't be surprised if Armstrong doped, but I would still be disappointed.

08-23-2005, 10:28 PM	#3
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	Sounds like this story might actually have legs though. I hope it's not true, but nothing would shock me anymore. I want to believe Lance and for now I will. However, this story appears to be more than the usual former employee trying to make a buck. Sounds like it hinges on L'equipe claiming they can match the number on the sample to Lance with his documents. If they truly can, it could taint the legacy (No Mike, not that taint).

08-24-2005, 12:54 AM	#6
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	I'd be surprised if Lance never doped. His association with the doping doctor from Italy (?) is a big red flag.

08-24-2005, 02:32 PM	#8
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Drudge is now headlining the Armstrong story..... It's now going to be a mainstream news.

08-24-2005, 07:48 PM	#9
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	How many times did the Frenchies test Lance last month, and Lance alone? He always came out clean. Now, a month after he retires, they claim his very first win was tainted....seven years ago? What, that data was just sitting in a file somewhere and it took them seven years to pull it out? I don't buy it. I also don't buy the French's theory that the US staged 9/11.