Romans 8:26

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by creekster

It didn't waste my time. It's just the same feeling I get when I am in a country where they speak a lanmguage that doesn't use my alphabet. I see all the signs but I have abso-stinkin'-lutley no clue what thye mean.

More like I wasted your time, but you had to expect somebnody to make a crack or two, didn't you?

Coming from monkey man, I'd expect nothing less. And the humor lessons my stupidity for getting it wrong. I can see AA, Solon and Chapel Hill thinking what a dumbass, can't he even see the present indicative and distinguish it from the aorist?

So I can laugh with you.

[Jeff Lebowski]

Originally Posted by creekster

It didn't waste my time. It's just the same feeling I get when I am in a country where they speak a lanmguage that doesn't use my alphabet. I see all the signs but I have abso-stinkin'-lutley no clue what thye mean.

More like I wasted your time, but you had to expect somebnody to make a crack or two, didn't you?

Yeah. What he said.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by creekster

Because it's all Greek to me (badda boom) none from where I sit.

You are officially an old man.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

You are officially an old man.

Yes, he's an old guy, while I run with the young bucks. BTW, I'm so much younger than Seattle it makes him jealous.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

You are officially an old man.

Becasue of this?

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by creekster

Becasue of this?

Because a joke that corny accords you such status. :-)

[Solon]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Romans 8:26:

ὡσαύτως δὲ καὶ τὸ πνεῦμα συναντιλαμβάνεται τῇ ἀσθενείᾳ ἡμῶν τὸ γὰρ τί προσευξώμεθα καθὸ δεῖ οὐκ οἴδαμεν ἀλλὰ αὐτὸ τὸ πνεῦμα ὑπερεντυγχάνει στεναγμοῖς ἀλαλήτοις

The last three words are most interesting.

traditionally, I believe it's translated intercedes with groanings that are inalterable.

However, what do you make of the third person aorist for hyperentugchanei. Why use that form if one wishes otherwise to connote a recurring event with a mood or tense indicates no habit, as I understand the aorist verb tense.

the last two words or in dative form. Unspeakable groanings.

Yeah, you're right (below) that ὑπερεντυγχάνει is a 3rd person singular present active indicative; as far as I can tell, it's a hapax legommena - the only time this word appears in all of surviving Greek literature (tugxano, on the other hand, is a really common word).

It's a strange phrase - why would the spirit "intercede" with unutterable "groanings." These groanings seem really bad - Sophocles used the same word to describe the utterances of the inhabitants of Thebes as they were dying from the plague at the beginning of Oedipus Tyrannus (line 5).

I guess interceding sucks.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Solon

Yeah, you're right (below) that ὑπερεντυγχάνει is a 3rd person singular present active indicative; as far as I can tell, it's a hapax legommena - the only time this word appears in all of surviving Greek literature (tugxano, on the other hand, is a really common word).

It's a strange phrase - why would the spirit "intercede" with unutterable "groanings." These groanings seem really bad - Sophocles used the same word to describe the utterances of the inhabitants of Thebes as they were dying from the plague at the beginning of Oedipus Tyrannus (line 5).

I guess interceding sucks.

Thanks for using the hapax legommena as I just the day before learned that concept. To me, it's an interesting phrase describing prayer. True prayer is an unspeakable feeling.

[creekster]

Originally Posted by UtahDan

Because a joke that corny accords you such status. :-)

As Norm Crosby once said, I resemble that remark.






Quoting Norm Crosby also proves I am an old fart, I suppose.

[UtahDan]

Originally Posted by creekster

As Norm Crosby once said, I resemble that remark.






Quoting Norm Crosby also proves I am an old fart, I suppose.

Who?