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Old 12-12-2007, 03:40 PM   #11
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You are kidding yourself if you think you would not consider torture under a circumstance wherre your family was about to be killed. (in fact, reading your posts about guns and survivalism and then imapgining you in a room with a gun in your hand and a guy htat knew how to stop the death of your family and won't tell you how leads to a pretty easy to predict result). As a matter of policy I think the answer is easy. As a mtter of personal choice to rptect my family and homwtonw? the choice is much more difficult. Plus, the larger and more immediate the threat the more diffoicult the choice beocmes.
would you rape a child in front of a father who had hidden away your family?

If not, then what lines are you not willing to cross to save your family?

Would you cut off fingers? Would you cut out his eyes?

Would you advocate passing a law where certain domestic crime suspects could be tortured for information? For example a child is kidnapped, and the suspect is caught, and it is believed she is hidden away and perhaps still alive? (this has happened).

You, holder of the Melchizedek Priesthood, who values eternal life above all other things, what manner of depravity would you sink to?

I suspect you will not answer these questions.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:44 PM   #12
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would you rape a child in front of a father who had hidden away your family?

If not, then what lines are you not willing to cross to save your family?

Would you cut off fingers? Would you cut out his eyes?

Would you advocate passing a law where certain domestic crime suspects could be tortured for information? For example a child is kidnapped, and the suspect is caught, and it is believed she is hidden away and perhaps still alive? (this has happened).

You, holder of the Melchizedek Priesthood, who values eternal life above all other things, what manner of depravity would you sink to?

I suspect you will not answer these questions.
I would do all of that and more......if it meant one more minute with you.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:44 PM   #13
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would you rape a child in front of a father who had hidden away your family?

If not, then what lines are you not willing to cross to save your family?

Would you cut off fingers? Would you cut out his eyes?

Would you advocate passing a law where certain domestic crime suspects could be tortured for information? For example a child is kidnapped, and the suspect is caught, and it is believed she is hidden away and perhaps still alive? (this has happened).

You, holder of the Melchizedek Priesthood, who values eternal life above all other things, what manner of depravity would you sink to?

I suspect you will not answer these questions.
I don't know what I would do, because the unlikeliness of a situation where I would need to consider it is extremely remote.

I cannot see myself ever raping or forcibly having sex with another person. So that one is easy.

The most I could see myself doing is beating somebody to a bloody pulp, but then again, without the exact circumstances being forced upon me, it would be a dishonest thing for me to speculate on.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:45 PM   #14
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would you rape a child in front of a father who had hidden away your family?

If not, then what lines are you not willing to cross to save your family?

Would you cut off fingers? Would you cut out his eyes?

Would you advocate passing a law where certain domestic crime suspects could be tortured for information? For example a child is kidnapped, and the suspect is caught, and it is believed she is hidden away and perhaps still alive? (this has happened).

You, holder of the Melchizedek Priesthood, who values eternal life above all other things, what manner of depravity would you sink to?

I suspect you will not answer these questions.
You never answered Rocky's questions, so why should you get your questions answered?
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:48 PM   #15
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You never answered Rocky's questions, so why should you get your questions answered?
I pointed out that I would use the principle of doing what I would think GBH would do, which is not break any commandment and do as Christ would do.

Pay attention you shit.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:48 PM   #16
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would you rape a child in front of a father who had hidden away your family?

If not, then what lines are you not willing to cross to save your family?

Would you cut off fingers? Would you cut out his eyes?

Would you advocate passing a law where certain domestic crime suspects could be tortured for information? For example a child is kidnapped, and the suspect is caught, and it is believed she is hidden away and perhaps still alive? (this has happened).

You, holder of the Melchizedek Priesthood, who values eternal life above all other things, what manner of depravity would you sink to?

I suspect you will not answer these questions.
I don't know what I would do. These examples are a bit silly, as we are talking about simulated drowning, not child rape. OTOH, what if you could save 700,000 people if you cut off the fingers of a prisoner? WOuld you do it?

POlicy and personal decisions are not the same thing. I strongly believe in due process. ALl accused should be given a trial, even those we know are gulkty. OTOH, if a guy that had raped my daughter was being tried, I might be tempted to go Ellie Nessler on him. This would be bad, I know, and should never be policy, and would be inconcistent with my beliefs and would NOT be justifed, but I might still do it.
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Old 12-12-2007, 03:50 PM   #17
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I don't know what I would do. These examples are a bit silly, as we are talking about simulated drowning, not child rape. OTOH, what if you could save 700,000 people if you cut off the fingers of a prisoner? WOuld you do it?

POlicy and personal decisions are not the same thing. I strongly believe in due process. ALl accused should be given a trial, even those we know are gulkty. OTOH, if a guy that had raped my daughter was being tried, I might be tempted to go Ellie Nessler on him. This would be bad, I know, and should never be policy, and would be inconcistent with my beliefs and would NOT be justifed, but I might still do it.
They are silly, because they have never happened?

What world do you live in? History is your friend. Educate yourself.
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I pointed out that I would use the principle of doing what I would think GBH would do, which is not break any commandment and do as Christ would do.

Pay attention you shit.
Is GBH > Nephi?
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I pointed out that I would use the principle of doing what I would think GBH would do, which is not break any commandment and do as Christ would do.

Pay attention you shit.
You're the guy that broke another person's nose in a basketball game? You love provocation to the point of watching people dissemble and possess a better ability to manipulate and perhaps torture with psychological means, and you wish us to believe you would be meek and mild?

After observing your areas of aggression, this seems unlikely of you.
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Pay attention you shit.
Hilarious.

Spoken like a true adherent to GBH and a disciple of Christ.

7 times 70, my friend.

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