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[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No kidding. That is what I tell my bishop every year too. I don't have to pay any tithing, because if those people really need help, the bishop will just double my payment. If he refuses, then I know he doesn't really care about helping people.

Tithing is voluntary. Taxes aren't.

Are you saying that you aren't willing to pay your share and my share so uninsured people can have health care?

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by woot

A giant smoking ban just took effect in France on Jan 1. I forget the details, but it seemed more progressive than what we've got in the US.

As was a move to keep dogshit off the sidewalks a few years ago. When you next visit, keep your eyes down and forward.

[woot]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

How?

Protection is military, police and fire.

How does health care fall under protection?

because the healthcare industry saves and lengthens more lives in one year than the other 3 have in the history of the US? I realize that those 3 things are essential and do not seek to diminish their importance at all, but I'd much rather have a doctor's office nearby than a fire station.

Agreeing with your premise, for a moment: If we insist on private healthcare, having public education is nonsensical, and vice versa.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by woot

because the healthcare industry saves and lengthens more lives in one year than the other 3 have in the history of the US? I realize that those 3 things are essential and do not seek to diminish their importance at all, but I'd much rather have a doctor's office nearby than a fire station.

Agreeing with your premise, for a moment: If we insist on private healthcare, having public education is nonsensical, and vice versa.

I'd be happy if education was completely privatized.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

Tithing is voluntary. Taxes aren't.

Are you saying that you aren't willing to pay your share and my share so uninsured people can have health care?

If tithing is voluntary, then you actually have the choice to pay my tithing for me, whereas taxes are not, so it isn't an option. Are you saying you won't pay my tithing for me? My bishop wouldn't either. Clearly he doesn't love people.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

I'd be happy if education was completely privatized.

Then why promote infrastructure? Private enterprise can figure that out too. Why provide police and fire? If you can't afford police or fire, you probably don't have much to protect anyways, right?

Why provide national security? All that really does is protect property interests, and if you have property, you ought to be able to protect it on your own. Right? If you can't protect it, you shouldn't own it. Let the strong survive and the weak die.

[myboynoah]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

If tithing is voluntary, then you actually have the choice to pay my tithing for me, whereas taxes are not, so it isn't an option. Are you saying you won't pay my tithing for me? My bishop wouldn't either. Clearly he doesn't love people.

I'll pay your tithing. Be sure to declare "partial" in December.

[minn_stat]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

No kidding. Helping people sucks.

Nothing stops you from helping people. Just don't take my money to do it. Let me choose the ways I will help others.

It's amazing how compassionate so many people are with other people's money.

[BYU71]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Then why promote infrastructure? Private enterprise can figure that out too. Why provide police and fire? If you can't afford police or fire, you probably don't have much to protect anyways, right?

Why provide national security? All that really does is protect property interests, and if you have property, you ought to be able to protect it on your own. Right? If you can't protect it, you shouldn't own it. Let the strong survive and the weak die.

Let the strong survive and the weak die. Now you sound like an evolutionist or an environmentalist, unless of course the strong animal is the human animal.

Oh, of course you sound like one, I forgot for a moment you are a lib.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by minn_stat

Nothing stops you from helping people. Just don't take my money to do it. Let me choose the ways I will help others.

It's amazing how compassionate so many people are with other people's money.

Part of living in a civilized society involves installing basic safety nets for the populace. Conservatives are always so quick to destroy those safety nets for the poor, but they love them for the rich.