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MikeWaters · 05-20-2008, 03:16 PM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...ight_of_Return

There will be no peace if this is not addressed by Israel.

And Israel knows this.

Sleeping in EQ · 05-20-2008, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...ight_of_Return

There will be no peace if this is not addressed by Israel.

And Israel knows this.

I have a student from somewhere near Ramallah.

This student has some stories. Frankly, she should have a book deal.

I've had her in communications classes. She has mentioned that when the IDF occupied Ramallah in 2002, they took over the television stations and broadcast pornography.

MikeWaters · 05-20-2008, 03:39 PM

Liberal academia has become much more sympathetic to the Palestinian plight over the past several years.

I met a Jewish Israeli lady on a plane, and I asked her about this, and she said it deeply pains her.

But you have a huge number of Americans who aren't willing to even learn about what the Palestinians are saying.

I've wavered and gone back and forth on the issue throughout my lifetime. Finding out that Israel wasn't 100% moral and right was a shock to me as a young man, as I had bought the propangand whole-hog.

I'm frustrated with both Israelis and Palestinians.

Sleeping in EQ · 05-20-2008, 03:45 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Liberal academia has become much more sympathetic to the Palestinian plight over the past several years.

I met a Jewish Israeli lady on a plane, and I asked her about this, and she said it deeply pains her.

But you have a huge number of Americans who aren't willing to even learn about what the Palestinians are saying.

I've wavered and gone back and forth on the issue throughout my lifetime. Finding out that Israel wasn't 100% moral and right was a shock to me as a young man, as I had bought the propangand whole-hog.

I'm frustrated with both Israelis and Palestinians.

Me too.

Maybe I'll get her to post here. She's smart and interesting.

Tex · 05-20-2008, 05:39 PM

Right of Return as demanded by the Palestinians is never going to happen. It's a complete non-starter and one of (many) reasons why the conflict over there is never going to be resolved.

There are some Palestinians in "exile" who are under the illusion that their pre-1967 land and/or homes still exist and are available to them. It's a dream that doesn't comport with reality, and Palestinian leadership is going to have to come to terms with that if they ever get serious about peace.

Archaea · 05-20-2008, 06:25 PM

The difficulties for outsiders is truly understanding the current eddies and currents of political and social thought within those communities. How can those local politicians bridge the gaps sufficiently to appease their constituencies in order to remain in power while working outside the box?

There appear within Israeli society some who have very rigid opinions on the issue and the same for the Palestinians. Compounding the problem is the disproportionate population growth on behalf the Palestinians.

MikeWaters · 05-20-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Right of Return as demanded by the Palestinians is never going to happen. It's a complete non-starter and one of (many) reasons why the conflict over there is never going to be resolved.

There are some Palestinians in "exile" who are under the illusion that their pre-1967 land and/or homes still exist and are available to them. It's a dream that doesn't comport with reality, and Palestinian leadership is going to have to come to terms with that if they ever get serious about peace.

many do exist. if not most of them. and Israelis are living in them.

I would say that not addressing the right of return is a non-starter, and if the Israelis are ever serious about peace they will address it.

MikeWaters · 05-20-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Archaea

The difficulties for outsiders is truly understanding the current eddies and currents of political and social thought within those communities. How can those local politicians bridge the gaps sufficiently to appease their constituencies in order to remain in power while working outside the box?

There appear within Israeli society some who have very rigid opinions on the issue and the same for the Palestinians. Compounding the problem is the disproportionate population growth on behalf the Palestinians.

this is why the Palestinians will win. Corrupt broken societies die of suicide.

Tex · 05-20-2008, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

many do exist. if not most of them. and Israelis are living in them.

Apparently you live under the same illusion. It was 40 years ago.

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

I would say that not addressing the right of return is a non-starter, and if the Israelis are ever serious about peace they will address it.

They have. They've said no.

MikeWaters · 05-20-2008, 07:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Tex

Apparently you live under the same illusion. It was 40 years ago.

They have. They've said no.

human rights no longer apply because something happened 40 years ago?

If Israelis have chosen this, then they have chosen to send their children to die fighting the children of their neighbors, whom will also die.

What sympathy should I have for the Israelis, when they choose to make the Palestinian plight even worse?

05-20-2008, 03:16 PM	#1
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Palestinian Right of Return http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palesti...ight_of_Return There will be no peace if this is not addressed by Israel. And Israel knows this.

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Tex Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 8,596	Right of Return as demanded by the Palestinians is never going to happen. It's a complete non-starter and one of (many) reasons why the conflict over there is never going to be resolved. There are some Palestinians in "exile" who are under the illusion that their pre-1967 land and/or homes still exist and are available to them. It's a dream that doesn't comport with reality, and Palestinian leadership is going to have to come to terms with that if they ever get serious about peace. __________________ "Have we been commanded not to call a prophet an insular racist? Link?" "And yes, [2010] is a very good year to be a Democrat. Perhaps the best year in decades ..." - Cali Coug "Oh dear, granny, what a long tail our puss has got." - Brigham Young

05-20-2008, 06:25 PM	#6
Archaea Assistant to the Regional Manager Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: The Orgasmatron Posts: 24,338	The difficulties for outsiders is truly understanding the current eddies and currents of political and social thought within those communities. How can those local politicians bridge the gaps sufficiently to appease their constituencies in order to remain in power while working outside the box? There appear within Israeli society some who have very rigid opinions on the issue and the same for the Palestinians. Compounding the problem is the disproportionate population growth on behalf the Palestinians. __________________ Ἓν οἶδα ὅτι οὐδὲν οἶδα

05-20-2008, 03:39 PM	#3
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Liberal academia has become much more sympathetic to the Palestinian plight over the past several years. I met a Jewish Israeli lady on a plane, and I asked her about this, and she said it deeply pains her. But you have a huge number of Americans who aren't willing to even learn about what the Palestinians are saying. I've wavered and gone back and forth on the issue throughout my lifetime. Finding out that Israel wasn't 100% moral and right was a shock to me as a young man, as I had bought the propangand whole-hog. I'm frustrated with both Israelis and Palestinians.