Nationwide CNN poll finds Obama handily won the debate

[Tex]

You two are like the two guys up in the balcony on the Muppet Show. Hilarious, but irrelevant.

[TripletDaddy]

Originally Posted by Tex

You two are like the two guys up in the balcony on the Muppet Show. Hilarious, but irrelevant.

Stadler and Waldorf.

Staying power, best seats in the house, always right on cue....and, judging by your observation all these years later....never far from your mind.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

The most interesting story out of the debate was not the question of who won, which I find pretty pedantic. Friday gave you one of the best exposes you'll ever see on the ideas and allure of liberalism.

Listen to Obama's answers. We need to provide health care. We need to put more money in public education. We need to make college affordable. We need broadband Internet in rural areas. We need more funding to HeadStart. Business isn't paying enough tax. Meet our enemies without preconditions (a proposition he claims Kissinger supports, which Kissinger immediately and flatly denied).

Obama says he's going to cut taxes on 95% of America, but 41% of America pays no federal income tax at all. He says the top 5% don't deserve a break, but they pay well more than 39% of America's personal income tax burden.

McCain said Obama's new program prescriptions will cost $800 billion, a figure I'm sure Obama disputes. But there can be no question Obama has big plans for lots of new spending. Liberals hate to have their stuff termed socialism, but there's no other term for it. Gov't in every aspect of your life. It's the same doctrine that has facilitated the housing crisis ... giving huge loans to people who have not demonstrated an ability to pay them back.

I watched the Luntz focus group of so-called undecideds afterward. Those swayed to Obama felt he "understood me," as if Obama were their personal psychologist. Reminds me of what Limbaugh termed the "arousal gap" during the Clinton years.

McCain by contrast is no textbook conservative, but he presents an image of strong national defense and controlled spending.

This election is a referendum on liberalism, as much as it ever was on Bush and Republicanism. It's a philosophy America has rejected time and again. I don't know that we've had a true Obama-style dyed-in-the-wool liberal since LBJ (we can argue on Carter). McCain is a terribly imperfect vehicle for the opposition, but I fear for a country that chooses the Obama way, that looks to government to solve our personal ills. God help us.

Just keep up that attitude Tex. Keep telling the average American that he's needy for expecting the government to do something, when he's working harder than anybody else in the world and seeing his real income decline by a few thousand dollars a year under Bush.

As long as the McCain camp perpetuates this attitude, it will seal the deal for Obama.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

It worked for Reagan. Didn't it?

The Cold War ended, didn't it?

Reagan 1
liberals 0

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

Just keep up that attitude Tex. Keep telling the average American that he's needy for expecting the government to do something, when he's working harder than anybody else in the world and seeing his real income decline by a few thousand dollars a year under Bush.

As long as the McCain camp perpetuates this attitude, it will seal the deal for Obama.

An honest question:

Did the average American see his income decline before or after Dems took control of both houses?

I ask because I honestly don't know.

And you are aware that Bush is not a conservative, right?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

Just keep up that attitude Tex. Keep telling the average American that he's needy for expecting the government to do something, when he's working harder than anybody else in the world and seeing his real income decline by a few thousand dollars a year under Bush.

I dispute your numbers, but liberalism is a cancer nonetheless.

When I listen to Obama speak, all I hear is Homer Simpson: "Can't someone else do it?"

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

An honest question:

Did the average American see his income decline before or after Dems took control of both houses?

I ask because I honestly don't know.

And you are aware that Bush is not a conservative, right?

I'm not saying this is completely Bush's fault. Middle class stagnation started 30 years ago. With gas prices the average American's purchasing power declined.

[ChinoCoug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I dispute your numbers, but liberalism is a cancer nonetheless.

When I listen to Obama speak, all I hear is Homer Simpson: "Can't someone else do it?"

Hahaha, you're on a roll Tex. Now Americans are lazy and passing the buck. The Obama campaign should make you the poster boy for being out of touch. Dam Americans for wanting to be rewarded for their hard work.

[8ballrollin]

Our house was robo-called for a survey on the debate.

I let our five-year-old punch in the buttons as he saw fit.

I'm not sure how his mashing skewed any polling numbers, but I feel I need to disclose it publicly.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by ChinoCoug

I'm not saying this is completely Bush's fault. Middle class stagnation started 30 years ago. With gas prices the average American's purchasing power declined.

1978. Jimmy Carter. Worst President ever. And Dem controlled houses.