So how do Bush supporters feel about the information contained in the released memos?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

I wish Bush had waterboarded you.

That's the difference between you and me. I actually believe everyone is my brother or sister and wouldn't wish that on anyone.

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Riiiiiiiiight... I am sure he never actually did what the memos permitted him to do. I am sure it was just an intellectual exercise. Just like waterboarding- which they also told us they didn't do, until it was clear they did.

Well, if he actually did it, then provide the link(s) to that effect and get indignant over actual events rather than theoretical ones.

[MikeWaters]

Cali is afraid of govt. power. Except for the power of the govt. to disarm its citizens. That's benign.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Well, if he actually did it, then provide the link(s) to that effect and get indignant over actual events rather than theoretical ones.

The indignation doesn't come merely from the occurrence of the rights abuse. It comes also from the assertion that such abuses are within the president's prerogative.

If you believe such abuses did not occur, however, I would happily bet any amount of money to the contrary. It fits precisely within the pattern of behavior of this president.

Establish goal
Instruct lawyers what end result must be
Get legal reasoning from lawyers justifying end result
Take action under cloak of legal authority to accomplish goal
Keep everything secret

[Indy Coug]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

The indignation doesn't come merely from the occurrence of the rights abuse. It comes also from the assertion that such abuses are within the president's prerogative.

If you believe such abuses did not occur, however, I would happily bet any amount of money to the contrary. It fits precisely within the pattern of behavior of this president.

Establish goal
Instruct lawyers what end result must be
Get legal reasoning from lawyers justifying end result
Take action under cloak of legal authority to accomplish goal
Keep everything secret

Admit it, you're Senator Mayer, aren't you?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

That's the difference between you and me. I actually believe everyone is my brother or sister and wouldn't wish that on anyone.

True. I've always thought that of all the posters here, you are the most Christ-like.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

That is precisely the point. Bush assured us all that he wouldn't violate constitutional liberties. Then he actually had his legal advisors outline manners in which he could do exactly what he told all of us he wouldn't do. It is shameful.

What do you mean "what's going on with executive orders these days?" That is a pretty broad question.

Obama hasn't "undone Clinton era welfare reforms". Rather, temporary spending has been authorized, some of which will go to those on welfare or who need welfare.

FYI: Obama opposes the Fairness Doctrine. Heck- who needs the Fairness Doctrine when the top conservative commentator spends his time proving he is the de facto leader of the SWCP rather than Steele?

http://article.nationalreview.com/?q...U5MTk2YTIxNTQ=


http://newsbusters.org/blogs/matthew...romise-funding

The CNN anchor then reminded her viewers of Obama's public financing promise: “One year ago, he made a promise. He pledged to accept public financing, to work with the Republican nominee to ensure that they both operated within those limits. And then it became clear to Senator Obama and his campaign that he was going to be able to raise on his own far more cash than he would get with public financing. So, Obama went back on his word. He broke his promise...”

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/


There's all of this to talk about and YOU bring up Limbaugh and Bush?

[Tex]

Originally Posted by All-American

Mike, you may be interested to know that a certain member of the Utah State Senate has a flag with your avatar hanging in his office as of about two weeks ago. Care to guess who?

And good for Obama for at least saying it.

Lebowski's Law: As a CG discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Chris Buttars approaches one.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Cali is afraid of govt. power. Except for the power of the govt. to disarm its citizens. That's benign.

Citizens are still armed. The question is "armed with what?" You draw the line at grenade launchers. I draw the line at fully automatic weapons. Way to be so much more principled, Waters.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

True. I've always thought that of all the posters here, you are the most Christ-like.

Well thank you. I cannot say the same of you, but there is always hope.