The biggest problem with the healthcare reform

[MikeWaters]

is that Americans don't even know what it is. It is this huge secret document being negotiated behind closed doors with special interests. The average American who pays attention to politics could not tell you much about it.

What results is a feeling of helplessness and frustration. "Those bastards are going to pass this, whatever it is, and we are just going to have to deal with it." Democrats misread the "quiet" as "silent support." Wrong. It's angry frustration that in the case of Scott Brown, led to boiling over rage.

Now we can do something!!! They have unleashed the beast.

One of the pundits last night said that he talked to Republican operatives who found that the polls really started changing when the deals were cut with Nelson and Landrieu. It was clear to independents that deals were not being cut to benefit Americans, but to benefit limited constituencies at the expense of the nation as a whole.

WE DON'T LIKE HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE. MOREOVER, WE DON'T LIKE THE SAUSAGE EITHER!!!!!!

Obama, has thus failed on both counts. He promised he would change how politics works--the process. His first mistake was hiring Rahm Emanuel. Chicago backroom sharp-elbows politics. Secondly, Obama chose not to govern as a moderate. He decided to cater to his liberal base. Obama, in his heart of hearts, thinks if the liberal agenda were passed, the middle will come around and see the wisdom of it. In other words, he is a delusional ideologue. Sure there are the also-delusional minions characterized by people like Cali. But some of these democrats are going to bail, due to simple self-preservation.

Double down. Funny. That's like suicide with two bullets instead of one.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

is that Americans don't even know what it is. It is this huge secret document being negotiated behind closed doors with special interests. The average American who pays attention to politics could not tell you much about it.

What results is a feeling of helplessness and frustration. "Those bastards are going to pass this, whatever it is, and we are just going to have to deal with it." Democrats misread the "quiet" as "silent support." Wrong. It's angry frustration that in the case of Scott Brown, led to boiling over rage.

Now we can do something!!! They have unleashed the beast.

One of the pundits last night said that he talked to Republican operatives who found that the polls really started changing when the deals were cut with Nelson and Landrieu. It was clear to independents that deals were not being cut to benefit Americans, but to benefit limited constituencies at the expense of the nation as a whole.

WE DON'T LIKE HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE. MOREOVER, WE DON'T LIKE THE SAUSAGE EITHER!!!!!!

Obama, has thus failed on both counts. He promised he would change how politics works--the process. His first mistake was hiring Rahm Emanuel. Chicago backroom sharp-elbows politics. Secondly, Obama chose not to govern as a moderate. He decided to cater to his liberal base. Obama, in his heart of hearts, thinks if the liberal agenda were passed, the middle will come around and see the wisdom of it. In other words, he is a delusional ideologue. Sure there are the also-delusional minions characterized by people like Cali. But some of these democrats are going to bail, due to simple self-preservation.

Double down. Funny. That's like suicide with two bullets instead of one.

The backroom dealing has hurt Obama's image and runs counter to his claim, which many neophytes accepted.

He has also ignored voters concerns for economic maladies.

[MikeWaters]

All it is going to take is one back-room deal with a RINO (Snowe) for Obama to get what he wants. And whoever the traitor is, will get a lot of pieces of silver for it.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

All it is going to take is one back-room deal with a RINO (Snowe) for Obama to get what he wants. And whoever the traitor is, will get a lot of pieces of silver for it.

Snowe is the most likely traitor to the Republic.

A peculiar aspect of the Obama "hope" was what appeared to be the fervent belief by some of his acolytes such as Cali, that it would change business as usual. I am not surprised a product of the Chicago political syndicate is engaged in backroom deals. I am not surprised Obama is pragmatic in his approach to the military entanglements. But I am surprised intelligent persons appeared to believe that rhetoric. Or maybe I am the naive one and persons such as Cali deceived me into believing they believing the deceitful rhetoric.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Archaea

Snowe is the most likely traitor to the Republic.

A peculiar aspect of the Obama "hope" was what appeared to be the fervent belief by some of his acolytes such as Cali, that it would change business as usual. I am not surprised a product of the Chicago political syndicate is engaged in backroom deals. I am not surprised Obama is pragmatic in his approach to the military entanglements. But I am surprised intelligent persons appeared to believe that rhetoric. Or maybe I am the naive one and persons such as Cali deceived me into believing they believing the deceitful rhetoric.

Traitor to the Republic? For passing health care reform? Man, you guys are way out there.

FYI- the most likely approach is for the House to adopt the Senate bill in full, while the Senate then passes agreed upon changes to the original Senate bill through reconciliation (which needs only 51 votes), followed by House adoption of the reconciliation bill as well.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

is that Americans don't even know what it is. It is this huge secret document being negotiated behind closed doors with special interests. The average American who pays attention to politics could not tell you much about it.

What results is a feeling of helplessness and frustration. "Those bastards are going to pass this, whatever it is, and we are just going to have to deal with it." Democrats misread the "quiet" as "silent support." Wrong. It's angry frustration that in the case of Scott Brown, led to boiling over rage.

Now we can do something!!! They have unleashed the beast.

One of the pundits last night said that he talked to Republican operatives who found that the polls really started changing when the deals were cut with Nelson and Landrieu. It was clear to independents that deals were not being cut to benefit Americans, but to benefit limited constituencies at the expense of the nation as a whole.

WE DON'T LIKE HOW THE SAUSAGE IS MADE. MOREOVER, WE DON'T LIKE THE SAUSAGE EITHER!!!!!!

Obama, has thus failed on both counts. He promised he would change how politics works--the process. His first mistake was hiring Rahm Emanuel. Chicago backroom sharp-elbows politics. Secondly, Obama chose not to govern as a moderate. He decided to cater to his liberal base. Obama, in his heart of hearts, thinks if the liberal agenda were passed, the middle will come around and see the wisdom of it. In other words, he is a delusional ideologue. Sure there are the also-delusional minions characterized by people like Cali. But some of these democrats are going to bail, due to simple self-preservation.

Double down. Funny. That's like suicide with two bullets instead of one.

Do you mean this obscure and secret document?

http://democrats.senate.gov/reform/p...-as-passed.pdf

[MikeWaters]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Traitor to the Republic? For passing health care reform? Man, you guys are way out there.

FYI- the most likely approach is for the House to adopt the Senate bill in full, while the Senate then passes agreed upon changes to the original Senate bill through reconciliation (which needs only 51 votes), followed by House adoption of the reconciliation bill as well.

this is not "likely." It is the wet dream of Chris Matthews, and is not going to happen, because it is not politically tenable.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by MikeWaters

this is not "likely." It is the wet dream of Chris Matthews, and is not going to happen, because it is not politically tenable.

We shall see.

[Archaea]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Traitor to the Republic? For passing health care reform? Man, you guys are way out there.

FYI- the most likely approach is for the House to adopt the Senate bill in full, while the Senate then passes agreed upon changes to the original Senate bill through reconciliation (which needs only 51 votes), followed by House adoption of the reconciliation bill as well.

With many of the moderate and conservative Dems running scared it seems less likely that the Senate version will pass though the pundits have posited this as a potential scenario.

And the name is a misnomer. It's not health care reform. It's health insurance reform and mandates to private insurance.

What part of the package encourages healthy lifestyles?

What part encourages provident living?

What parts of the health care delivery system is being address other than perceived obstacles to access?

It's not health care reform at all.

[MikeWaters]

Some major democrats are talking about scrapping the whole thing and starting over, with those parts that have broad bipartisan support.

Duh.

This means that there is no chicanery that will occur to try and ram (or should I say "Rahm") the current bill (whatever that is) through.