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jay santos · 12-05-2007, 05:06 PM

http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/245966/

Things I like from the article.

1. Tavernari acknowledges he needs to improve shot selection. He needs to shoot. And he needs to shoot a lot. But maybe not quite so much. 16 3 point shot attempts in a game is a bit much.

2. Burgess is showing leadership. Burgess is going to have to be the leader of this team as far as locker room stuff. I like Burgess telling JT he needs to tone it down.

Points per shot:

I define points per shot as total points/(total fg attempts + ft attempts*.5)

Last year, BYU was 1.14 PPS. That's great. That's going to win you a lot of games. Our opponents last year against us were 1.03.

This year, BYU is a phenomanal 1.19.

Breakdown:

PLAISTED, Trent.... 1.24
TAVERNARI, Jonathan 1.09
CUMMARD, Lee....... 1.32
BURGESS, Sam....... 1.22
FREDETTE, Jimmer... 1.27
IVANOVIC, Vuk...... 1.25
LOYD, Michael...... 1.15
MURDOCK, Ben....... 1.24
MILES, Chris....... 1.00
COLLINSWORTH, Chris 0.74
MARTINEAU, Nick.... 1.40
ROSE, Archie....... 1.00

JT is close to the bottom of this at 1.09, but that still is a good PPS, and he's the guy taking wild shots, shots at the end of the shot clock, shots opening up the middle, he's the guy making things happen. So I don't mind him slightly below the team average, and I really don't mind him jacking up those kind of shots if he's at 1.09 PPS.

There are about 3-4 shots a game that he probably needs to eliminate. If he does that, his PPS will go up, and he'll still be the free wheeling shooter that we need.

mpfunk · 12-05-2007, 05:11 PM

I think JT is a great player for the type of system that Rose wants to run. He is a good player and his shot selection will never be good, but it will improve with time.

As for my team, I would cringe to have a player like JT on the Utes. I don't want that style on my team. I can barely stomach having Johnny Bryant on the team.

myboynoah · 12-05-2007, 05:26 PM

Looks like they need to feed Martineau the ball.

Go Darts!

Ace Tomato Co. · 12-05-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Burgess is going to have to be the leader of this team as far as locker room stuff. I like Burgess telling JT he needs to tone it down.

I agree completely with this point - JT does not seem to be the type of player that guys are going to rally around. He's a great player, maybe the best on the team, but I don't see the other guys looking to him for leadership. If anything, I see them getting tired of his shtick.

Tonight should be another good chance to see lots of Collinsworth, Jimmer, and Loyd. I'd also like to see Miles get some good minutes.

It will be interesting to see if Jimmer gets any PT against Mich St.

How nice is it that Mich St is probably thinking to themselves "suck, we have to play BYU in Salt Lake - that's a tough game"

mpfunk · 12-05-2007, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ace Tomato Co.

I agree completely with this point - JT does not seem to be the type of player that guys are going to rally around. He's a great player, maybe the best on the team, but I don't see the other guys looking to him for leadership. If anything, I see them getting tired of his shtick.

Tonight should be another good chance to see lots of Collinsworth, Jimmer, and Loyd. I'd also like to see Miles get some good minutes.

It will be interesting to see if Jimmer gets any PT against Mich St.

How nice is it that Mich St is probably thinking to themselves "suck, we have to play BYU in Salt Lake - that's a tough game"

I'm sure that Michigan St respects BYU as an opponent, but they have seen a lot more difficult challenges than BYU thrown their way on a consistent basis.

One thing that I'm really interested in seeing with BYU is how they respond to a very physical and aggressive defensive style like Michigan St. I think UNC is a better team than Michigan St, but Michigan St is a tougher matchup for BYU. UNC is a team that isn't going to punch you in the mouth like Michigan St will.

Detroitdad · 12-06-2007, 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

I'm sure that Michigan St respects BYU as an opponent, but they have seen a lot more difficult challenges than BYU thrown their way on a consistent basis.

One thing that I'm really interested in seeing with BYU is how they respond to a very physical and aggressive defensive style like Michigan St. I think UNC is a better team than Michigan St, but Michigan St is a tougher matchup for BYU. UNC is a team that isn't going to punch you in the mouth like Michigan St will.

NOrht Carolina is pretty damn physical this year, what with Tyler Hansbrough et al. I think you were confused by the baby blue uniforms, which usually lend themselves to a more YOhio/Utestar type of play.

mpfunk · 12-06-2007, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Detroitdad

NOrht Carolina is pretty damn physical this year, what with Tyler Hansbrough et al. I think you were confused by the baby blue uniforms, which usually lend themselves to a more YOhio/Utestar type of play.

Maybe North Carolina has completely changed their style of play, but Roy Williams teams have never been known for physical defense. Roy Williams teams have always been finesse teams.

jay santos · 12-06-2007, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

Maybe North Carolina has completely changed their style of play, but Roy Williams teams have never been known for physical defense. Roy Williams teams have always been finesse teams.

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Just because a team runs doesn't mean they are not physical. UNC runs a ton of players in and out and they get after you on defense. Their defense is what creates their fast break offense. They pressure you on the perimeter and they body you down low.

mpfunk · 12-08-2007, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

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Just because a team runs doesn't mean they are not physical. UNC runs a ton of players in and out and they get after you on defense. Their defense is what creates their fast break offense. They pressure you on the perimeter and they body you down low.

Roy Williams is not and never has been a good defensive coach.

Izzo on the other hand is a great defensive coach. Michigan St is going to play man-to-man defense on you. If you go to the basket you are going to end up on your ass. They will protect the paint. They will play position defense over gambling for steals like UNC.

jay santos · 12-08-2007, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by mpfunk

Roy Williams is not and never has been a good defensive coach.

Izzo on the other hand is a great defensive coach. Michigan St is going to play man-to-man defense on you. If you go to the basket you are going to end up on your ass. They will protect the paint. They will play position defense over gambling for steals like UNC.

You've got this obsession with knocking people down in the pain like it's some kind of manly ego thing for you. UNC plays some of the best defense in the nation. Their defense creates their up tempo style that kills teams.

You know what happens when you knock someone on their ass every time they go in the paint? You get called for a foul and they go to the free throw line, and you end up fouling out everyone and the other team beats you by 20 points by knocking their free throws down.

12-05-2007, 05:06 PM	#1
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	Article on JT and PPS http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/245966/ Things I like from the article. 1. Tavernari acknowledges he needs to improve shot selection. He needs to shoot. And he needs to shoot a lot. But maybe not quite so much. 16 3 point shot attempts in a game is a bit much. 2. Burgess is showing leadership. Burgess is going to have to be the leader of this team as far as locker room stuff. I like Burgess telling JT he needs to tone it down. Points per shot: I define points per shot as total points/(total fg attempts + ft attempts*.5) Last year, BYU was 1.14 PPS. That's great. That's going to win you a lot of games. Our opponents last year against us were 1.03. This year, BYU is a phenomanal 1.19. Breakdown: PLAISTED, Trent.... 1.24 TAVERNARI, Jonathan 1.09 CUMMARD, Lee....... 1.32 BURGESS, Sam....... 1.22 FREDETTE, Jimmer... 1.27 IVANOVIC, Vuk...... 1.25 LOYD, Michael...... 1.15 MURDOCK, Ben....... 1.24 MILES, Chris....... 1.00 COLLINSWORTH, Chris 0.74 MARTINEAU, Nick.... 1.40 ROSE, Archie....... 1.00 JT is close to the bottom of this at 1.09, but that still is a good PPS, and he's the guy taking wild shots, shots at the end of the shot clock, shots opening up the middle, he's the guy making things happen. So I don't mind him slightly below the team average, and I really don't mind him jacking up those kind of shots if he's at 1.09 PPS. There are about 3-4 shots a game that he probably needs to eliminate. If he does that, his PPS will go up, and he'll still be the free wheeling shooter that we need.

12-05-2007, 05:26 PM	#3
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12-05-2007, 05:11 PM	#2
mpfunk Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 2,619	I think JT is a great player for the type of system that Rose wants to run. He is a good player and his shot selection will never be good, but it will improve with time. As for my team, I would cringe to have a player like JT on the Utes. I don't want that style on my team. I can barely stomach having Johnny Bryant on the team.