Public Option dead!

[Tex]

Watching this phase of the health care drama play out is surreal. It now looks like Harry Reid will insist on a vote next Thursday on a multi-thousand page bill that no one outside his office has even seen yet. What are senators supposed to vote on, Reid's public statements of good faith? And you can forget getting CBO numbers on it.

I can't see a reason why this bill ought to be rammed through the Congress, other than political expediency. It's like these guys live in an alternate reality.

[MikeWaters]

Sometimes it feels like we are on the verge of becoming a banana republic ourselves.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Watching this phase of the health care drama play out is surreal. It now looks like Harry Reid will insist on a vote next Thursday on a multi-thousand page bill that no one outside his office has even seen yet. What are senators supposed to vote on, Reid's public statements of good faith? And you can forget getting CBO numbers on it.

I can't see a reason why this bill ought to be rammed through the Congress, other than political expediency. It's like these guys live in an alternate reality.

Of course Senators have seen it. They have had it for weeks. That is how they know what they want to amend. Where do you get this nonsense from?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

It's remarkable how quickly liberals turn to citing GDP percentages as soon as it's their guy increasing debt by billions of dollars. You can set your clock by it.

The CMS report says the bill is going to cost more money, contrary to what we've been told. That's the bottom line. $234B may be chump change to you when Obama is forking out trillions of dollars to anybody who asks, but it still matters to the remaining handful of fiscally sane Americans. And that's not to mention the prediction of insolvent hospitals and nursing care facilities.

Bill Nelson, for example, isn't so flippant: the report is giving him and a few others pause. Maybe you should shoot him an email with some of your brilliant commentary about why it doesn't matter.



Aside from addressing a few of your tangents, my only point in this thread has been how unbelievably unpopular this bill is, which is the point you haven't dealt with (to say nothing of "destroying"... heh).

For some reason you seem to think that confusion about the bill's details somehow mitigates the public's intense distaste for it.

Hang on- are you suggesting the total dollar value of debt has a meaning if we don't compare it to GDP? If so, add this to a list of ridiculous statements you have made. If not, what are you complaining about again?

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

Watching this phase of the health care drama play out is surreal. It now looks like Harry Reid will insist on a vote next Thursday on a multi-thousand page bill that no one outside his office has even seen yet. What are senators supposed to vote on, Reid's public statements of good faith? And you can forget getting CBO numbers on it.

I can't see a reason why this bill ought to be rammed through the Congress, other than political expediency. It's like these guys live in an alternate reality.

Pst- hey Texie- the CBO numbers are in on the amended bill.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=10868

Not that you will read them (you haven't bothered in the past, why start now?).

[Tex]

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Of course Senators have seen it. They have had it for weeks. That is how they know what they want to amend. Where do you get this nonsense from?

Originally Posted by Cali Coug

Pst- hey Texie- the CBO numbers are in on the amended bill.

http://www.cbo.gov/doc.cfm?index=10868

Not that you will read them (you haven't bothered in the past, why start now?).

The changes Reid had been wheeling and dealing in his office have not been seen by anyone else as of that time, including Republican senators or the CBO.

[Cali Coug]

Originally Posted by Tex

The changes Reid had been wheeling and dealing in his office have not been seen by anyone else as of that time, including Republican senators or the CBO.

You said nobody had seen the bill (and further clarified that is what you meant by pointing out that it was "thousands" of pages that people hadn't ever seen). You did not say nobody had seen the amendment to the bill (which was about 380 pages, not thousands). You then claimed the CBO wouldn't ever score the bill (did you mean amendment?). In short, nothing you said was accurate (nobody's surprised).

CBO did score the bill. Everyone has the amendment. Everyone is reviewing it. Everyone has had the bill the amendment is amending for weeks. Any other complaints you would like to make up?