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jay santos · 12-06-2007, 07:47 PM

Murder for hire story in the news got me thinking about this.

RockyBalboa · 12-06-2007, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Murder for hire story in the news got me thinking about this.

More immoral as opposed to what?

Indy Coug · 12-06-2007, 07:48 PM

What are the choices?

il Padrino Ute · 12-06-2007, 08:10 PM

I chose hiring someone to kill another is more immoral because of intent.

When one hires another to murder another, the intent of the one that hires is to have another killed.

The intent of the one who does the killing is financial gain and used murder to achieve that.

BYU71 · 12-06-2007, 08:15 PM

the other person is just fulfilling thier job or contract requirement.

Indy Coug · 12-06-2007, 08:17 PM

I think it's a function of premeditation. If someone kills in the course of a robbery without intending to beforehand, that's not as bad as murder for hire.

jay santos · 12-06-2007, 08:25 PM

Something about killing someone for financial gain that seems to be the most immoral act of all. Of course person hiring someone to murder could be doing it for financial gain as well.

il Padrino Ute · 12-06-2007, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Something about killing someone for financial gain that seems to be the most immoral act of all. Of course person hiring someone to murder could be doing it for financial gain as well.

I can understand what you're saying, but the person who is hired has no reason to want the person dead other than to get paid to do it. Perhaps that would be closer to being amoral than immoral?

The one hiring wants the third party dead, enough to find someone to pay for that want to come to fruition. To me, that demonstrates forethought. The one who does the killing never thought about the death of the victim until money was offered.

hyrum · 12-06-2007, 08:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jay santos

Murder for hire story in the news got me thinking about this.

They are both immoral, what does it matter about "more" immoral? Hiring someone to kill for you is not only immoral, but cowardly.

And, I suppose you could come up with justifications for either, e.g., a spouse being abused hires someone to kill her abuser for 1, or a mercenary trying to feed his poor family for 2.

Black Diamond Bay · 12-06-2007, 08:55 PM

I think that actually committing the murder has to be far more immoral.

There's no question that it takes a some level of immorality to be able to sit back and say that you would like someone to be gone, and even go so far as to pay another to make it happen.

However, I can't help but think that the person who is actually willing to commit the murder, has to be even more immoral. The fact that the hit man would kill someone they don't know, have no personal vendetta against, and no reason to want them dead other than money squeaks them into first place on the scale of immorality. It's a level of selfishness that really defies all description.

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12-06-2007, 07:47 PM	#1
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	Which is more immoral? Murder for hire story in the news got me thinking about this.

12-06-2007, 08:10 PM	#4
il Padrino Ute Board Pinhead Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In the basement of my house, Murray, Utah. Posts: 15,941	I chose hiring someone to kill another is more immoral because of intent. When one hires another to murder another, the intent of the one that hires is to have another killed. The intent of the one who does the killing is financial gain and used murder to achieve that. __________________ "The beauty of baseball is not having to explain it." - Chuck Shriver "This is now the joke that stupid people laugh at." - Christopher Hitchens on IQ jokes about GWB.

12-06-2007, 08:15 PM	#5
BYU71 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 5,084	Definitely hiring the other person is just fulfilling thier job or contract requirement.

12-06-2007, 07:48 PM	#3
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	What are the choices?

12-06-2007, 08:17 PM	#6
Indy Coug Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Between Iraq and a hard place Posts: 7,569	I think it's a function of premeditation. If someone kills in the course of a robbery without intending to beforehand, that's not as bad as murder for hire.

12-06-2007, 08:25 PM	#7
jay santos Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 6,177	Something about killing someone for financial gain that seems to be the most immoral act of all. Of course person hiring someone to murder could be doing it for financial gain as well.

12-06-2007, 08:55 PM	#10
Black Diamond Bay Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: California Posts: 1,000	I think that actually committing the murder has to be far more immoral. There's no question that it takes a some level of immorality to be able to sit back and say that you would like someone to be gone, and even go so far as to pay another to make it happen. However, I can't help but think that the person who is actually willing to commit the murder, has to be even more immoral. The fact that the hit man would kill someone they don't know, have no personal vendetta against, and no reason to want them dead other than money squeaks them into first place on the scale of immorality. It's a level of selfishness that really defies all description.