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pelagius · 03-03-2007, 02:53 AM

By popular request (well by the request of Mormon Red Death anyways) here is a list of the best wins by teams that are currently in the MWC conference during the period of 95-96 to 04-05. The table lists all wins by a current MWC teams against a team that ended the year in the top 25 Massey computer ranking.

Code:

      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
      |       team     yr              opp   scored   allowed   opprank |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 448. |        BYU   2002         Stanford       81        76        23 |
 505. |        BYU   2004      Oklahoma St       76        71         2 |
 875. | New Mexico   1996             Utah       64        60        16 |
 882. | New Mexico   1997          Arizona       84        77         6 |
 896. | New Mexico   1997             Utah       87        71         5 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 901. | New Mexico   1997            Tulsa       57        51        22 |
 922. | New Mexico   1998              TCU       98        77        19 |
 929. | New Mexico   1998             Utah       77        74         6 |
 939. | New Mexico   1998              TCU       80        73        19 |
 960. | New Mexico   1999          Arizona       79        78        19 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 987. | New Mexico   2000          Arizona       70        68        13 |
1150. | New Mexico   2005             Utah       65        54        13 |
1156. | New Mexico   2005             Utah       60        56        13 |
1479. |        TCU   1997           Purdue       97        69        25 |
1499. |        TCU   1997            Tulsa       64        59        22 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
1547. |        TCU   1999          Gonzaga       90        87        16 |
1838. |       UNLV   1998             Utah       54        51         6 |
2089. |       Utah   1996          Iowa St       73        67        23 |
2105. |       Utah   1997            Tulsa       84        58        22 |
2112. |       Utah   1997            Tulsa       56        54        22 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
2121. |       Utah   1997         Stanford       82        77        12 |
2151. |       Utah   1998         Arkansas       75        69        22 |
2152. |       Utah   1998    West Virginia       65        62        24 |
2153. |       Utah   1998          Arizona       76        51         4 |
2154. |       Utah   1998   North Carolina       65        59         2 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
2194. |       Utah   2000            Texas       79        73        12 |
2371. |       Utah   2005         Oklahoma       67        58        20 |
2393. |    Wyoming   1996             Utah       80        76        16 |
2449. |    Wyoming   1998             Utah       62        56         6 |
2575. |    Wyoming   2002          Gonzaga       73        66        14 |
      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+

Note: I wouldn't trust these results too much. I really didn't check the perl code that downloaded that data very carefully.

Mormon Red Death · 03-03-2007, 03:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pelagius

By popular request (well by the request of Mormon Red Death anyways) here is a list of the best wins by teams that are currently in the MWC conference during the period of 95-96 to 04-05. The table lists all wins by a current MWC teams against a team that ended the year in the top 25 Massey computer ranking.

Code:

      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
      |       team     yr              opp   scored   allowed   opprank |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 448. |        BYU   2002         Stanford       81        76        23 |
 505. |        BYU   2004      Oklahoma St       76        71         2 |
 875. | New Mexico   1996             Utah       64        60        16 |
 882. | New Mexico   1997          Arizona       84        77         6 |
 896. | New Mexico   1997             Utah       87        71         5 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 901. | New Mexico   1997            Tulsa       57        51        22 |
 922. | New Mexico   1998              TCU       98        77        19 |
 929. | New Mexico   1998             Utah       77        74         6 |
 939. | New Mexico   1998              TCU       80        73        19 |
 960. | New Mexico   1999          Arizona       79        78        19 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 987. | New Mexico   2000          Arizona       70        68        13 |
1150. | New Mexico   2005             Utah       65        54        13 |
1156. | New Mexico   2005             Utah       60        56        13 |
1479. |        TCU   1997           Purdue       97        69        25 |
1499. |        TCU   1997            Tulsa       64        59        22 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
1547. |        TCU   1999          Gonzaga       90        87        16 |
1838. |       UNLV   1998             Utah       54        51         6 |
2089. |       Utah   1996          Iowa St       73        67        23 |
2105. |       Utah   1997            Tulsa       84        58        22 |
2112. |       Utah   1997            Tulsa       56        54        22 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
2121. |       Utah   1997         Stanford       82        77        12 |
2151. |       Utah   1998         Arkansas       75        69        22 |
2152. |       Utah   1998    West Virginia       65        62        24 |
2153. |       Utah   1998          Arizona       76        51         4 |
2154. |       Utah   1998   North Carolina       65        59         2 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
2194. |       Utah   2000            Texas       79        73        12 |
2371. |       Utah   2005         Oklahoma       67        58        20 |
2393. |    Wyoming   1996             Utah       80        76        16 |
2449. |    Wyoming   1998             Utah       62        56         6 |
2575. |    Wyoming   2002          Gonzaga       73        66        14 |
      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+

Note: I wouldn't trust these results too much. I really didn't check the perl code that downloaded that data very carefully.

Thanks.... Interesting that most of Wyoming UNLV and NM wins were against current conference foes...

pelagius · 03-03-2007, 03:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Mormon Red Death

Thanks.... Interesting that most of Wyoming UNLV and NM wins were against current conference foes...

True, although to be fair, New Mexico still has the second most quality wins even if we throw out current conference members as opponents:

Code:

      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+
      |       team     yr              opp   scored   allowed   opprank |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 448. |        BYU   2002         Stanford       81        76        23 |
 505. |        BYU   2004      Oklahoma St       76        71         2 |
 882. | New Mexico   1997          Arizona       84        77         6 |
 901. | New Mexico   1997            Tulsa       57        51        22 |
 960. | New Mexico   1999          Arizona       79        78        19 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
 987. | New Mexico   2000          Arizona       70        68        13 |
1479. |        TCU   1997           Purdue       97        69        25 |
1499. |        TCU   1997            Tulsa       64        59        22 |
1547. |        TCU   1999          Gonzaga       90        87        16 |
2089. |       Utah   1996          Iowa St       73        67        23 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
2105. |       Utah   1997            Tulsa       84        58        22 |
2112. |       Utah   1997            Tulsa       56        54        22 |
2121. |       Utah   1997         Stanford       82        77        12 |
2151. |       Utah   1998         Arkansas       75        69        22 |
2152. |       Utah   1998    West Virginia       65        62        24 |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------------|
2153. |       Utah   1998          Arizona       76        51         4 |
2154. |       Utah   1998   North Carolina       65        59         2 |
2194. |       Utah   2000            Texas       79        73        12 |
2371. |       Utah   2005         Oklahoma       67        58        20 |
2575. |    Wyoming   2002          Gonzaga       73        66        14 |
      +-----------------------------------------------------------------+

SeattleUte · 03-03-2007, 03:49 AM

Thanks for this! This is so telling. Where the conference's best win is against Utah can we just say Utah got the best win? What is Utah supposed to do, beat itself? For example, in 1997 Utah finished in the (voting) polls no.2 in the nation.

Archaea · 03-03-2007, 04:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Thanks for this! This is so telling. Where the conference's best win is against Utah can we just say Utah got the best win? What is Utah supposed to do, beat itself? For example, in 1997 Utah finished in the (voting) polls no.2 in the nation.

Yes Utah had some great seasons. How much did you contribute?

pelagius · 03-03-2007, 04:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

Thanks for this! This is so telling. Where the conference's best win is against Utah can we just say Utah got the best win? What is Utah supposed to do, beat itself? For example, in 1997 Utah finished in the (voting) polls no.2 in the nation.

As Archaea points out, Utah had some very nice wins and seasons in the late 90s. I can't remember a single instance where a BYU fan on cougarguard has suggested otherwise. However, if we split the sample in half and look at end of year top-25 non-conference wins in the second half of the sample (00-01 to 04-05) we get the following:

Code:

      +-----------------------------------------------------------+
      |    team     yr           opp   scored   allowed   opprank |
      |-----------------------------------------------------------|
 448. |     BYU   2002      Stanford       81        76        23 |
 505. |     BYU   2004   Oklahoma St       76        71         2 |
2371. |    Utah   2005      Oklahoma       67        58        20 |
2575. | Wyoming   2002       Gonzaga       73        66        14 |
      +-----------------------------------------------------------+

I don't point this out to suggest that BYU was better during those five years. You have to give the nod to Utah because of the sweet 16 run in 2005 (Utah's median end of year massey rating was also a slightly better: 40 vs 41). On the other hand, it does suggest that things have changed dramatically since the late 90s. BYU and Utah have been pretty close of late, and relative to at least one metric BYU did slightly better.

SeattleUte · 03-03-2007, 05:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea

Yes Utah had some great seasons. How much did you contribute?

It's part of my culture.

ute4ever · 03-03-2007, 05:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Archaea

Yes Utah had some great seasons. How much did you contribute?

Nice, I often think this same question when I see fanboys proclaiming "yeah, we did it!"

Archaea · 03-03-2007, 09:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ute4ever

Nice, I often think this same question when I see fanboys proclaiming "yeah, we did it!"

The culture of fandom is absurd. Despite that ludicracy, I come back every year.

We didn't do shit; our boys did well.

ute4ever · 03-04-2007, 04:41 PM

Hey Pelagius, what are the odds that a MWC team will win the conference titles in football, mens and womens basketball all in the same season, as Utah did in such dominating fashion (losing only three combined games) only two years ago?

Since there are 9 conference teams, I assume the odds of winning one title is 9:1. So to win both at once, are the odds 9x9, in other words, 81:1? Then to win all three, is it 81x9, or 729:1?

03-03-2007, 03:49 AM	#4
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	Thanks for this! This is so telling. Where the conference's best win is against Utah can we just say Utah got the best win? What is Utah supposed to do, beat itself? For example, in 1997 Utah finished in the (voting) polls no.2 in the nation. __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

03-04-2007, 04:41 PM	#10
ute4ever I must not tell lies Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 5,103	Hey Pelagius, what are the odds that a MWC team will win the conference titles in football, mens and womens basketball all in the same season, as Utah did in such dominating fashion (losing only three combined games) only two years ago? Since there are 9 conference teams, I assume the odds of winning one title is 9:1. So to win both at once, are the odds 9x9, in other words, 81:1? Then to win all three, is it 81x9, or 729:1?