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Indy Coug · 02-13-2008, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by MikeWaters

Court of public opinion not looking good for Clemens.

http://proxy.espn.go.com/chat/sports...on25088=100302

Public opinion made Fool's Gold the #1 movie last weekend.

MikeWaters · 02-13-2008, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BYU71

I wish there was someway we could do an instant internet poll every morning to see how the Americans feel about issues. That way we could do what the Americans want to do. The court of public opinion is right 99.9% of the time.

Heck, they gave us Nixon and Carter didn't they.

By the way, on this one I am with the court of public opinion, but right now I give him a pass based on reasonable doubt.

No one is trying to "convict" Clemens of using HGH or steroids. He's not on trial.

However, if he has lied, he may be convicted of perjury. And that could conceivably be proven beyond reasonable doubt. We'll have to see what comes out.

MikeWaters · 02-13-2008, 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Indy Coug

Public opinion made Fool's Gold the #1 movie last weekend.

The bad thing is more people changed their minds that Clemens indeed doped than people who now think he didn't.

MikeWaters · 02-13-2008, 08:43 PM

So how naked did Ms. Clemens have to get, to get a shot in the rear of HGH in the Clemens bedroom?

A woman who is that motivated to improve her figure is a keeper, I tell you.

MikeWaters · 02-13-2008, 08:44 PM

Another thing--some of these GOP congresspersons ripping on McNamee. Good chance that they won't have jobs come 2009.

SteelBlue · 02-13-2008, 08:45 PM

Clemens' fastball rose 3 mph late in his career. That's all anyone needs to know. He was doping. I thought it was interesting that so many wanted to make McNamee look like an idiot with a degree from a diploma mill. I'll tell you this, if HGH/steroids weren't the reason for Clemens' late in life career turnaround then McNamee is the greatest trainer that baseball has ever seen.

MikeWaters · 02-13-2008, 09:11 PM

Talkings heads on ESPN are ripping on Clemens.

SeattleUte · 02-13-2008, 09:23 PM

How about this, Waters. Republicans aren't comfortable with these types of congressional probes in the first place. I wasn't aware that baseball was a government agency. Why can't we just let baseball and the press and fans' disgust clean up baseball's mess? Haven't these guys got something more germane and important to do, like investigate why the Iraq war was so horribly botched?

MikeWaters · 02-13-2008, 09:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SeattleUte

How about this, Waters. Republicans aren't comfortable with these types of congressional probes in the first place. I wasn't aware that baseball was a government agency. Why can't we just let baseball and the press and fans' disgust clean up baseball's mess? Haven't these guys got something more germane and important to do, like investigate why the Iraq war was so horribly botched?

Not so fast my enemy.

Congress has a role in pushing these organizations to remove doping, under the idea that there is a trickle down effect throughout the United States, esp. on younger athletes.

Oh, btw, congresspersons can walk and chew gum at the same time. At least when they are worrying about baseball, they are not attaching pork to spending bills.

Coach McGuirk · 02-13-2008, 09:44 PM

Don't forget MLB's anti-trust exemption. This is why you see the government involved a lot with baseball. The gov. feels they need to defend why they still are exempt. If they can not be trusted to run a anti doping campaign and clean themselves up, the government will make them do it and threaten to remove the anti trust exemption, which will never happen.

02-13-2008, 08:45 PM	#26
SteelBlue Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Norcal Posts: 5,821	Clemens' fastball rose 3 mph late in his career. That's all anyone needs to know. He was doping. I thought it was interesting that so many wanted to make McNamee look like an idiot with a degree from a diploma mill. I'll tell you this, if HGH/steroids weren't the reason for Clemens' late in life career turnaround then McNamee is the greatest trainer that baseball has ever seen. Last edited by SteelBlue; 02-13-2008 at 08:48 PM.

02-13-2008, 09:23 PM	#28
SeattleUte fairlds.org Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 10,665	How about this, Waters. Republicans aren't comfortable with these types of congressional probes in the first place. I wasn't aware that baseball was a government agency. Why can't we just let baseball and the press and fans' disgust clean up baseball's mess? Haven't these guys got something more germane and important to do, like investigate why the Iraq war was so horribly botched? __________________ Interrupt all you like. We're involved in a complicated story here, and not everything is quite what it seems to be. —Paul Auster

02-13-2008, 09:44 PM	#30
Coach McGuirk Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: The Bubble Posts: 606	Don't forget MLB's anti-trust exemption. This is why you see the government involved a lot with baseball. The gov. feels they need to defend why they still are exempt. If they can not be trusted to run a anti doping campaign and clean themselves up, the government will make them do it and threaten to remove the anti trust exemption, which will never happen. __________________ "Hey! It's all ball bearings nowadays. Now you prepare that Fetzer valve with some 3-in-1 oil and some gauze pads. And I'm gonna need 'bout ten quarts of anti-freeze, preferably Prestone. No, no make that Quaker State. "

02-13-2008, 08:43 PM	#24
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	So how naked did Ms. Clemens have to get, to get a shot in the rear of HGH in the Clemens bedroom? A woman who is that motivated to improve her figure is a keeper, I tell you.

02-13-2008, 08:44 PM	#25
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Another thing--some of these GOP congresspersons ripping on McNamee. Good chance that they won't have jobs come 2009.

02-13-2008, 09:11 PM	#27
MikeWaters Demiurge Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 36,365	Talkings heads on ESPN are ripping on Clemens.