It realy is about religion ...

[tooblue]

Barbara has posted a reasonable explanation on why people don't relate to Romney, but even at this juncture in New Hampshire Romney cannot escape questions about his religion:

http://www.sltrib.com/ci_7893971

A majority of voters will not vote for Romney because he is Mormon and for no other reason!

[Archaea]

Then Mormons should leave and form their own country to show the bigots what we think of them.

We're big on complaining things aren't fair, but we never do anything about it. Perhaps we need to be more tribal and react the way the Jewish community reacts.

[Ma'ake]

I don't doubt that there is *some* anti-LDS sentiment laced in, but IMO my good LDS friends shouldn't get too hung up on the religion aspect.

In Iowa the EVs voted for Huckabee, but not comprehensively. The difference between Huckabee's & Romney's support among the EV vote was interesting - Mitt got 20-something percent of the EV crowd (or something roughly equivalent)

As for Romney's attractiveness as candidate overall, it looks like he's not well regarded by the other candidates (which isn't so unusual for a front-runner), and his liabilities - particularly the changing positions - is a big problem, as all the easy shots from other candidates yesterday showed.

Mitt spent a ton of money in Iowa - I'd guess there may have been some backlash against the wealthy (apparently) trying to buy a victory was a part, as well.

Those issues don't appear to be religion-related at all.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7751.html

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by Ma'ake

I don't doubt that there is *some* anti-LDS sentiment laced in, but IMO my good LDS friends shouldn't get too hung up on the religion aspect.

In Iowa the EVs voted for Huckabee, but not comprehensively. The difference between Huckabee's & Romney's support among the EV vote was interesting - Mitt got 20-something percent of the EV crowd (or something roughly equivalent)

As for Romney's attractiveness as candidate overall, it looks like he's not well regarded by the other candidates (which isn't so unusual for a front-runner), and his liabilities - particularly the changing positions - is a big problem, as all the easy shots from other candidates yesterday showed.

Mitt spent a ton of money in Iowa - I'd guess there may have been some backlash against the wealthy (apparently) trying to buy a victory was a part, as well.

Those issues don't appear to be religion-related at all.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0108/7751.html

I am not portraying an attitude of victim hood, rather expressing my dismay at the reality of the whole situation ... 1 in 5 evangelicals voted for Romney ... 30% or more of voters have stated they will not vote for a Mormon and not because of 'those issues' as you call them.

It’s a sad day in America when such bigotry is left unchecked.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by tooblue

It’s a sad day in America when such bigotry is left unchecked.

This is silly. Grow up. You need to learn the meaning of bigotry. People choose their beliefs. They make a decision to believe as they do, and those with courage of their convictions should be clear eyed about the consequences of their beliefs. It's perfectly acceptable to say, "I won't vote for anyone to lead this country who claims to believe that stuff." There's nothing wrong with it. I bet you have said you wouldn't vote for an atheist. That's fine too.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This is silly. Grow up. You need to learn the meaning of bigotry. People choose their beliefs. They make a decision to believe as they do, and those with courage of their convictions should be clear eyed about the consequences of their beliefs. It's perfectly acceptable to say, "I won't vote for anyone to lead this country who claims to believe that stuff." There's nothing wrong with it. I bet you have said you wouldn't vote for an atheist. That's fine too.

The condescension in your post only further proves how ignorant you truly are … oh the irony. You shun and have turned away from Mormonism in large part because you are embarrassed by it … and who needs to grow up?

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by tooblue

The condescension in your post only further proves how ignorant you truly are … oh the irony. You shun and have turned away from Mormonism in large part because you are embarrassed by it … and who needs to grow up?

I rejected the beliefs, as your post impliclty recogizes (if I thought they were credible or sublime I wouldn't be embarrassed by them). I do think they are embarrasing. But that's a subsidiary point. You would be free to vote against me for president because of this with no offense taken by me.

[tooblue]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

I rejected the beliefs, as your post impliclty recogizes (if I thought they were credible or sublime I wouldn't be embarrassed by them). I do think they are embarrasing. But that's a subsidiary point. You would be free to vote against me for president because of this with no offense taken by me.

The reality is we cannot rationalize this discussion into an issue of personal freedoms ... that is cowardice. It needs to be labled what it is -bigotry. Where in fact the man is not even given an opportunity to be voted against because of his religion. There is no freedom of choice, the decision is already made.

[il Padrino Ute]

Originally Posted by SeattleUte

This is silly. Grow up. You need to learn the meaning of bigotry. People choose their beliefs. They make a decision to believe as they do, and those with courage of their convictions should be clear eyed about the consequences of their beliefs. It's perfectly acceptable to say, "I won't vote for anyone to lead this country who claims to believe that stuff." There's nothing wrong with it. I bet you have said you wouldn't vote for an atheist. That's fine too.

bigotry - noun - stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

A rather broad, but accurate definition of those who won't vote on Romney based on his religion alone. I don't have a problem if someone won't vote for him because he's a Mormon, but I don't think they should get some kind of free pass for it either; however, it's not big enough of a deal to get worked up over it.

[SeattleUte]

Originally Posted by il Padrino Ute

bigotry - noun - stubborn and complete intolerance of any creed, belief, or opinion that differs from one's own.

You mean like this?:

Originally Posted by tooblue

The reality is Mormons are not freaky ... Mormons do not need to change ... Americans in general are ignorant and NEED to change!